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Ep. 2358 - Don Lemon ARRESTED!

30 Jan 2026

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Chapter 2: What led to Don Lemon's arrest?

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Obviously, the big news of the day is the arrest of Don Lemon by the Department of Justice. What is the sentiments around the White House, around the current situation with regard to ICE in Minnesota? And also, what have you heard regarding the Lemon arrest?

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735.308 - 752.364 Mary Margaret Olihan

Well, actually, Ben, I was at the screening of Melania at the Kennedy Center last night, and I bumped into Harmeen Dhillon, who told me she had recently been in California for some meetings. And at the time, I thought maybe she had just been there, you know, to enjoy the California weather when it's so freezing here in Washington, D.C.

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752.384 - 775.817 Mary Margaret Olihan

But it turns out her meetings probably had something to do with this arrest. Don Lemon is now facing charges from the DOJ, as the DOJ had warned that he would arrest And, you know, this has been predicted by the DOJ that it's been coming. I believe Harmeet has hinted about this online. She's the assistant civil rights or she's the assistant attorney for the civil rights division at the DOJ.

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776.318 - 796.854 Mary Margaret Olihan

And now it has, in fact, happened. We haven't seen a ton of reactions from the White House yet. This is breaking news. And everyone, of course, is kind of reeling from this news. Lemon and others are trying to portray it as a, you know, a violation of his rights as a journalist. But we do know that he was part of this attack, if you want to call it that, on this church.

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796.914 - 821.898 Mary Margaret Olihan

These people were praying and this attack occurred because the pastor had alleged ICE associations. But then, as we know, he was leading a service worshiping God with these other churchgoers. And at the end of the day, these protesters were. went into this church and disrupted this worship of God. And the DOJ has deemed that this incident constituted an attack.

822.599 - 845.521 Mary Margaret Olihan

And something that I found really interesting, Ben, and I know you do as well, our colleague Luke Rosiak had reported earlier this week that the top staffer for Hennepin County's Soros-backed prosecutor was among those protesters that stormed into that church. So James Lundy, one of those protesters, works as an intergovernmental affairs coordinator for Hennepin County, and he's married to St.

845.561 - 866.336 Mary Margaret Olihan

Paul City Council member Anika Bowie, and he's running for a seat in the state legislature as a Democrat. This is all as the Department of Justice was pursuing federal charges against the protesters, and he was the very staffer that would interface with the federal government. Now, Lundy was arrested with Don Lemon early this morning, according to Pam Bondi.

866.356 - 882.428 Mary Margaret Olihan

He was arrested with three other people in connection with this coordinated attack on the city's church in St. Paul, Minnesota. And it just shows you the level of, you know, intertwinement between these protesters, between these activists and a lot of these local city officials in Minneapolis.

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Mary Margaret, on a broader level, obviously, what's going on in Minnesota has eaten up an enormous amount of the administration's time and effort. And there has been some pretty obvious conflict inside the administration in terms of the viewpoints expressed publicly with regard to the killing of Alex Preddy, for example, the deployment of Tom Homan to Minneapolis.

Chapter 3: What are the charges against Don Lemon and why are they significant?

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Democrats are trying to claim victory in Minnesota that they've gotten the Trump administration to back off from immigration enforcement. The Trump administration, meanwhile, is saying, listen, we just are trying to work with you guys in order to effectuate the enforcement of immigration law.

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President Trump last night was asked at a premiere for Melania, which is the documentary about his wife, the first lady. He was asked about whether there was a drawdown that was going to happen in Minneapolis. And President Trump said no.

1362.181 - 1370.755 Don Lemon

Will you keep pulling back immigration enforcement agents out of Minnesota? We want to keep our country safe. We'll do whatever we can to keep our country safe. So you're not pulling back?

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No, no, not at all. Well, that is, I think, the correct approach. Obviously, the federal government cannot pull back thanks to the hecklers veto or the rioters veto Tom Homan. Again, the person who should have been in charge of this operation all along, he is in Minneapolis. He says he's going to stay there until everything that has to be done is done.

Chapter 4: How does Don Lemon defend his actions during the protest?

1476.578 - 1501.476 Don Lemon

Time and again, America has rejected this notion that might makes right. That notion and that belief that we are of something greater than simply force has allowed our country to rise in international influence and allowed great cities to be laboratories of democracy. We must reject the notion that might makes right again and again.

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Man, is he obnoxious. I mean, truly, just the white zarm on Donnie. He is insipid. This notion that America rejects the law of the jungle by embracing chaos in the streets is totally nincompoopish and un-American. Frye, by the way, then says your city is next. Well, no, it's not.

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My city is down here in Florida where we enforce the laws and actually work with the federal government in order to ensure the criminal illegal immigrants are deported. So actually, I'm not worried that my city is next, Mayor Frye.

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1538.575 - 1550.652 Don Lemon

This is not time to bend our heads in despair or out of fear that we may be next because if we do not speak up, if we do not step out, it will be your city that is next.

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No, it won't. And this whole narrative, I think the Democrats, as I've said before, are winning this battle, but they are going to lose the war because it turns out that in the short term, Americans like not having ugly pictures on their TV and in the long term, They do need workable policy that solves their problems. Tim Walls, supposed voice of moderation, is not moderating at all either.

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He did an interview with The Atlantic in which he claimed that we are nearing the point of a civil war in the country. Quote, I mean, is this a Fort Sumter? He says it's a physical assault. It's an armed force that's assaulting, that's killing my constituents, my citizens. Again, I'm not sure I've seen a politician as eager to capitalize off tragedy as Tim Walz in the recent past.

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It's pretty astonishing. The guy was in serious political trouble so bad that he had to withdraw from his third term gubernatorial run in Minnesota. And now he's trying to make his way as leader of the resistance. He was asked specifically by a columnist for The Atlantic, Isaac Stanley Becker, if he thought that America was barreling toward an internal armed struggle.

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And he said, quote, I don't want to alarm people. But he said some of his constituents think he should call in the National Guard and arrest ICE. First of all, they don't have the power to do that.

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The fact that that Walls continues to up the ante here, despite the fact that Homan is pretty clearly just looking for some sort of off ramp and the continued enforcement of federal law demonstrates how politicized this has become for Walls and for Fry. He put out a statement yesterday, quote, Minnesota is grieving, but we're resolved.

Chapter 5: What is the FACE Act and how does it relate to the incident?

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And it seems as though the National Democrats are swirling more and more around a radical interpretation of the circumstances. And that's going to be a fail for them. It really is. It is not smart. Mikey Sherrill announces that she is going to seek surveillance for ICE agents in New Jersey.

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We are not going to allow any ICE raids to be staged from state properties. And we are also going to be standing up a portal so people can upload all their cell phone videos and alert people. Like, if you see an ICE agent in the street, get your phone out.

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1899.511 - 1916.625 Ben Shapiro

I mean, this is the routine they're running now. ICE is the enemy. ICE are Nazis and all of the rest. Speaking of which... The number of Democrats who have called ICE Gestapo at this point is incredibly high. That now includes Governor Gavin Newsom.

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The governor's press office wrote on January 25th on ex-Gestapo Greg, referring to Greg Bovino, says filming ICE agents with your cell phone is assault and justifies them shooting you in cold blood. Now, I'm just going to point out here that I literally asked the governor not to use this kind of language with regard to ICE.

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He had called the shooting of Rene Goods state-sponsored terrorism via his press office, and then he had backed off of that, saying that that was a mistake. He was asked by the Daily Wire if he stood by his Gestapo Greg remarks, and Newsom's spokesperson, Izzy Garden, responded, quote, absolutely. Gestapo Greg is an SS soldier cosplay. This is such a political mistake for Democrats.

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Truly, it is crazy. It is akin to the abolish the police, ACAB, all cops are bastards kind of stuff that Democrats were pushing back in 2020. Short-term gain, long-term pain for Democrats. This is really quite foolish. By the way, that's a point being made by David Axelrod.

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David Axelrod yesterday said, you know, you guys suggesting that Democrats ought to defund ICE, that is a huge political fail.

1980.447 - 2004.717 Don Lemon

I think people believe you should come to the country legally. And if you don't, you know, there should be some there should be some penalty for that. They do believe that. Well, you know, the problem that we've seen before when people said abolish the police or defund police. I don't think people most people mentioned I don't think most people who said it believe that there should be no

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policing function in cities. But the implication was that there could be. So I don't think Democrats want to get into that again. I do think they want fundamental root and branch reform. And if it means getting rid of the name ICE, which has become a very bad brand, that's one thing.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of Lemon's arrest for journalism?

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Among the chief obstacles is the Fed. What is to be done? Well, first, the Fed should discard its forecast of stagflation in the next couple of years, as if subpar growth and inflation 40% above target is the best that can be done. AI, he says, is going to bring prices down, so that will be disinflationary. Because if productivity goes up, that means higher supply. That means lower prices.

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He says that AI will increase productivity and bolster American competitiveness. And that should drive significant increases in real take-home wages because things are going to be cheaper. So they'll be more affordable. Second, he says inflation is a choice. The Fed should reexamine its great mistakes that led to the great inflation.

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It should abandon the dogma that inflation is caused when the economy grows too much and workers get paid too much. Inflation is not caused by that. It's caused when the government spends too much and prints too much. And he says that is largely because the Federal Reserve is making money appear out of thin air to buy the bonds. So stop doing that. That's what creates inflation.

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Inflation is not when banks lend out money. Inflation is really more when the Federal Reserve is injecting liquidity into the economy that didn't exist before. Third, he says the Fed should take responsibility for regulatory failures, including a deposit run on banks in late 2022 and early 2023.

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He says the Fed's rules and regulations have systematically disadvantaged small and medium sized banks, and that has slowed the flow of credit to the real economy. And fourth, we should stop trying to hold ourselves to the regulatory standards of Europe. All of this seems basically right to me, but the key is this. It's a big bet, a really big bet on the growth of AI.

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That's really the thing that he's counting on. Now, there are risks to the strategy because there are costs and benefits to every strategy.

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If, because the bonds are being resold to the banks, the reserves of the banks runs low, then theoretically, if there is any sort of squeeze on the banks, then banks would have to increase their own interest rates to the public and mortgage rates and credit card rates and all of it would go up. Or it's possible...

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that a decrease in the FFR, the interest rates, could cause the economy to heat up a lot and people will start taking out money to speculate wildly and then you get some sort of inflationary result. His point is that that's not real inflation.

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Real inflation is when the government is full-scale creating money on a computer and it just goes out into the world, which really only happens via open market operations. Or it's possible that the interest rates on bonds could spike as the market is flooded with bonds that are now being injected back into the economy.

Chapter 7: How is the situation in Minnesota affecting federal immigration policy?

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We all want honest elections, or at the very least, we should. Alrighty, coming up, we'll jump into the latest on Iran. Will there be some action there this weekend? The show continues for our members right now. Remember, in order to watch, you have to be a member. If you're not a member, become a member. Use code ShapiroCheckout for two months free on all annual plans.

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3371.279 - 3397.066 Don Lemon

What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with? Maradin, I knew your father. I am yet convinced that he was not of this world. All men know of the great Taliesin.

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Who am I, father, that the gods should war for my soul? Princess Garrus, savior of our people.

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3407.178 - 3410.723 Don Lemon

I know what the bull god offered you. I was offered the same.

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And?

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There is a new pirate work in the world. I've seen it. A god who sacrifices what he loves for us.

3419.877 - 3421.459 Pramila Jayapal

We are each given only one life, Singer.

3422.741 - 3442.549 Don Lemon

No. We're given another. I learned of Yazoo the Christ, and I have become his follower. He's waiting on a miracle, and I think you can give him one. Trust in Yazoo. Men like us. Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.

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