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The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2410 - Will AI End America?

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: How is AI influencing America's economic growth?

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America must win. We have to win economically. We have to win militarily. And that means that we do have to win technologically. But there's a movement afoot in our country that will destroy all of that, that will let China win economically, militarily, technologically. And that will, if it wins, sink America into poverty and dependence.

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That movement's fringes are pretty violent, but the problem isn't just the violent fringes. The philosophical moorings for that movement are pretty broad and pretty popular. And if that movement wins, that spells catastrophe for the country. I'll explain in a moment. This is The Ben Shapiro Show. All right, folks, so I understand all the questions about artificial intelligence.

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I understand there are serious questions to be asked about AI, that it's scary, that it's uncertain. We know all of that, right? I mean, we understand that we are in not just a transition economically, but a revolution economically, and revolutions are typically not stayed and steady. They happen suddenly, and they are disquieting, and they create unintended consequences and all the rest.

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And that's very real. So three things about AI. First, one, we understand that it's scary and uncertain, that we don't know exactly what's gonna happen next. Two, artificial intelligence is generating an outsized portion of economic growth. And that is happening, not because there are some tech bros who are sitting in a room somewhere magically generating economic growth.

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It's because there is a market for AI, because AI makes things significantly more productive, because AI makes things more efficient, because AI is gonna be the future of everything from robotics to military tech. In other words, AI is generating an outsized portion of economic growth because we want it. Not necessarily we intellectually want AI.

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Everyone who is currently yelling about AI and the dangers of AI, and I don't just mean people who are asking questions, I mean people who are anti-AI, a huge number of those people use AI, whether they are searching on Google or whether they're on ChatGPT, which is why it's generating this huge outsized economic growth, AI.

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Because as it turns out, free markets reward people for creating things that generally people want. And three, finally, if we choose to let our fear and uncertainty destroy our technological future in the country, and the only way to do that really is to destroy free markets, we won't save our civilization. We will lose to China. Okay, so why am I bringing all of this up?

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Because there's a brand new Quinnipiac poll, and it talks about Americans' use of AI, which is increasing, while the viewers of AI sour. The number of people who like AI is going down. The number of people using AI is going up. So many of the people using it are saying they simultaneously don't like it. which, by the way, is very often common with the free market.

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Pretty much everybody who complains about the free market is a beneficiary of the free market in the United States. So according to this new poll, 51% of Americans say that they use AI to research topics they are curious about. That is up from 37% in April 2025.

Chapter 2: What are the societal impacts of AI on job opportunities?

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Apparently, according to Jason Furman, who we've had on the show, professor of economics at Harvard, investments in information processing equipment and software was only 4% of U.S. GDP for the first half of 2025, but it accounted for 92% of all GDP growth over that period.

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So these companies are investing heavily in data centers because that is the basis for all of the compute that is necessary for AI. They're building these giant data centers everywhere. And as we'll talk about, this is becoming the target for people who are not just upset over AI, but seemingly upset about the economic future of the United States more generally.

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According to Boston Consulting Group, over the next two to three years, 50 to 55 percent of all jobs in the United States will be reshaped by AI, not replaced, reshaped. They say, quote, for many employees, this will mean they retain the same or similar role, but face radically new expectations for how they work and what they produce.

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Mark Andreessen, who is, of course, a major investor in this area, was on a podcast a couple of months ago explaining how AI growth is going to impact the economy.

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Well, look, if we didn't have AI, we'd be in a panic right now about what's going to happen to the economy, right? Because what we would be staring at is a future of depopulation and like depopulation without new technology would just mean that the economy shrinks, right? So it would mean that the economy kind of itself kind of shrinks over time. You know, the opportunity diminishes.

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There are no new jobs. There are no new fields. There's no new source of consumer demand for spending on things. And so you would be very worried about going into a period of like severe decline of stagnation. And essentially, you'd be looking at these very dystopian scenarios of an economy kind of self-euthanizing itself over time.

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And you'd be very worried about the opposite of what everybody thinks that they're worried about. The only reason we're not worried about that is because we now know that we have the technology that can substitute for the lack of population growth and then also for the lack of immigration that's likely.

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And so, you know, I would say the timing has worked out miraculously well in the sense that we're going to have AI and robots precisely when we actually need them to keep the economy from actually shrinking.

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So the point that Andreessen is making here is that we have a shrinking population. That means that we have fewer workers. And so if you're going to increase productivity, how do you do that? AI is what does that. He makes the case at the Stanford School of Business that the question is not your job being replaced by AI, it is your job being replaced by someone who uses AI.

Chapter 3: What are the public perceptions of AI among Americans?

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So David Friedberg over at the All In podcast, he made what I thought was a really good point on All In the other day, where he was talking about the tendency to blame free markets and blame technology for dyspepsia with the economy. The suggestion being that it's this group of nefarious people who are destroying your way of life. And he says the data center has become the symbol of that.

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And he's saying that because people are literally attempting to attack data centers now.

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Most people in America really are starting to really hate rich people. And there's no physical space that better represents the wealth in America, the wealth creation that's happened that a lot of people feel left behind from than the data center. What other physical space is there to go to? It is the temple of the wealthy. It is the mechanism, the tool, the machinery of the wealthy.

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It is the way that the rich elite tech kind of political connected billionaires that we're obviously all attached to are taking from the poor, getting themselves ahead, shooting themselves to space, leaving everyone else behind.

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And David Friedberg's explanation there is exactly right. This is the way that economic populists have been pushing. Now, again, I want to separate here between moral populism and economic populism.

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Moral populism is the basic idea put forward by, say, William F. Buckley back in the 1960s, that he would trust the first 100 names in the Harvard phone book on matters of public policy more than he would trust 100 professors at Harvard.

Chapter 4: How does AI contribute to the U.S. military's technological edge?

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It's kind of amazing to watch Hugo Chavez come to New York City. So Hugo Chavez, the former dictator of Venezuela before Maduro. He was famous for doing this routine where he would he would do a TV show that was hours long on Venezuelan TV, where he would basically have people come and bring him specific problems in front of the camera. And then he would, quote unquote, solve the problem.

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Now, the overall system of Venezuela meant impoverishment of the population. It meant tyrannical control of every part of Venezuelan life up to and including the economy. It meant people eating dog in the street. But as long as Hugo Chavez was on the TV telling people that he was solving their specific housing problem, he felt this would make him popular.

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Well, Zora Mamdani is doing the same thing. Zora Mamdani is doing the same thing. So one of the things that Mamdani has been pushing is this idea that developers in New York City are rampantly cheating their tenants. And number one, there's a lot of law on this. There's a lot of law, including in New York City, about the requirement for

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for hospitable tenements, that you have to, habitable tenements rather, that you must have habitability as a condition to paying rent. So you can't just leave the place crappy. Additional regulation, additional cost means less building. That means higher costs. But what is Mamdani going to do? He's going to ignore the bigger problem and, in fact, exacerbate the bigger problem a lot.

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But he will go conduct housing inspections himself, thus defying violations, and then claim that he is some sort of hero while simultaneously making housing significantly more expensive in the city.

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How you doing, sir? Hey, how you doing? How are you? I'm all right. Pleasure to meet you.

Chapter 5: What is the relationship between AI and grievance populism?

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11 is a negative.

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We're also going to hit him with a window guard violation. And then we have here the one violation for the local law 86.

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Which is the incomplete information on the side?

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No, that's another one. That's another one.

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That's a different one. So that's two. Another one. Yes, so that's two. It was a pleasure to be here at this building with a number of inspectors from HPD to ensure that these conditions are up to code.

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They didn't put up their required information on the side of the building. And therefore, the mayor of New York will show up in order to, of course, make the broader point that all over New York, renters are the victims of the people they are renting from. What developer in their right mind would build in New York right now? What developer in the right?

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But again, it's never about a better life for the people you pretend to represent. It is all about tearing down the system. That is the entire goal of all of this. The same thing happens on the right. Fascinating article in the Washington Post about Nick Fuentes. Fuentes, as you know, is a white supremacist, Nazi-loving piece of dreck. He's also making a lot of money.

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So a lot of his fans are donating money to him. He will go on Kickstream, I guess, for long periods of time. And then, or Rumble, he'll go on there for long periods of time and people will just give him money. And how much money did he make? Well, apparently since the start of 2025, about $900,000, people just donating. Now, again, it's a free country.

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If you wish to donate money to Nick Fuentes, that is your prerogative. I think that that is a foolish move, but okay. But the fascinating part of this story is not how much money Fuentes is making from his super chatters and how many of those people are actually poor and are giving him money in order to promote an ideology that actually is less likely to lead them to success.

Chapter 6: How are free markets being blamed for economic issues?

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It's also stupid. But the stupidity extends to all sides of the aisle. Over the weekend, Tucker Carlson had on his insipid brother Buckley. a bizarro world version of Tucker. He's like the bad Superman, like kryptonite Superman, except that in this case, both Supermans are bad. One is just significantly more, say, impaired than the other.

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Buckley and Tucker sat there and talked about how they are sorry that they helped get Trump elected. Presumably they would like Kamala Harris as president of the United States. That's how much they are upset about the war in Iran and Israelism because Tucker is too cowardly to say what he actually wants to say.

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you and I and everyone else who supported him, you wrote speeches for him, I campaigned for him. I mean, we're implicated in this for sure. Yes. It's not enough to say, well, I changed my mind or like, oh, this is bad, I'm out. It's like in very small ways, but in real ways, you and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now. Yes.

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So I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. you know, will be tormented by it for a long time. I will be. And I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It was not intentional. That's all I'll say.

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What a good-hearted person he is. So you're all suckers, and you were suckered by Tucker Carlson, but he apologizes for suckering you. Or alternatively, something else is going on. Alternatively, he has bought into a widely now apparent view that the United States is bad, that President Trump's standing up for American interests is bad. It's also gut-churningly ugly, truthfully, truthfully.

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He's such a propagandist for terrible things at this point. Okay, meanwhile, in other news around the United States, Tim Cook has now stepped down as the Apple CEO. John Ternes is the head of the hardware division. He's gonna take over as chief executive. Now, there's been a lot of critique of Tim Cook's tenure at Apple because he wasn't as transformative in some ways as Steve Jobs.

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I will say that he radically increased the market cap of the company, and the reason is because he focused in on the hardware. And while the company is not focusing in tremendously on AI, there's a reason for that. They're basically letting all other companies compete on the AI front, and they're developing all the hardware on which the AI will live inside phones, which, frankly, is pretty smart.

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They're zigging while everybody else is zagging. The company's App Store AI revenue is set to top $1 billion this year simply by collecting subscription fees from companies like OpenAI. So again, Tim Cook is out. Meanwhile, in other sort of political news, Lori Chavez de Remmer is out. She was the labor secretary who never should have been selected in the first place for the Trump administration.

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She's a left-wing anti-markets person who was basically selected for her temporary support for President Trump. And it turns out that she was She quit amid a bunch of investigations into her activity.

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