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The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2436 - How To Stab A White Person & Win

02 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What incident sparked the discussion on tolerance and policing in the UK?

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Did you just stab a white person in public? Are the police on the scene? If the answer is yes, here are your options. Well, if you're a white person, you surrender immediately and go directly to jail. If you're not a white person, you should say that the white person did something racist to you and then watch as the police let your victim bleed out and then maybe get out of jail early.

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That is the horrifying truth of Henry Novak. We'll talk about what it means for the West. We'll get to my take on Hasan Piker and Cenk Uygur's ban from the UK. And we'll discuss why Sesame Street is apparently pushing gay Muppets or something again. This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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Folks, if you don't want to destroy your own civilization, you really ought not import people who seek to weaponize your own values against you or train an entire generation of people to weaponize your values against you. This is the running theme in the West right now. We have certain values like, say, racial tolerance. It's a good value.

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It's a good thing to be tolerant of people of other races because, hey, why does melanin level matter? Or free speech. That's a great value. But what happens when we import people who hate those values or if we teach our kids to weaponize those values and use them against us? Well, today's Exhibit A is this case, this case of Henry Novak in the UK.

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So you have been seeing this story blowing up your social media, and there is a very good reason for that.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of the Henry Novak case for racial tolerance?

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So according to. the Fox News website, English police are facing mounting scrutiny after officers handcuffed an 18-year-old university student as he bled to death following a fatal stabbing, allegedly after believing the attacker's false claim he had been the victim of a racist assault.

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That case has sparked outrage across Britain, fueling political debate over policing and prompting calls for the release of body-worn camera footage from the responding officers. So here's what happened.

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A person named Vikram Digwa, who is 23, was convicted on Thursday in the UK of murdering Henry Novak, an 18-year-old finance student at the University of Southampton during a confrontation December 3rd, 2025. He will be eligible for parole. in about 20 years at the age of 43, which is sort of a mid-range murder sentence in the UK.

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Chapter 3: How did Hasan Piker and Cenk Uygur get banned from the UK?

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Theoretically, you could get what's called a whole life sentence if they believe that you were committing a murder for racist reasons or terrorist reasons. That was not used here in order to get a longer sentence. Officers arriving at the chaotic scene initially treated Novak as the suspect after Digwa allegedly claimed he had been racially abused and attacked.

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They actually handcuffed the guy who'd been stabbed. He later collapsed and died at the scene despite attempts to administer first aid. Apparently, according to the prosecutors, Digwa stabbed Novak multiple times using a 21 centimeters and eight inch blade described in court originally as a Sikh Kirpan style weapon.

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Apparently, this was not, in fact, a Kirpan that seeks wear out of religious obligation. But Digwa's brother did hide the knife that had been used in the 999 call, which is the equivalent of 911 over in the U.K.,

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His mom was also convicted of assisting an offender because she arrived at the scene before the murder weapon was taken by the police back to, she took the murder weapon back to their home to hide it. Okay, so the body cam footage is shocking and truly shocking. And this is almost a mirror image in particular ways of the George Floyd death.

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Henry Novak, you can hear him on the tape saying, I can't breathe because he can't, he's dying. He is dying because he was stabbed.

Chapter 4: What are the effects of weaponizing tolerance in society?

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Here is the body cam footage.

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I'm saying he's been stabbed. They don't believe him.

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They handcuff him.

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I can't breathe. Put the hand in the cuff, mate. I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

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He's literally dying on the camera, obviously.

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Where do you think you've been stabbed? In the face?

Chapter 5: How does the police response to racial allegations impact justice?

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Oh, no, but we have to check, don't we? In the face? Eventually, a female officer says that you have to check. Get their details and that, and I'll keep hold of him. Keep you on your side, mate. You've had a re-drief, then. Saying to him, keeping him on his side. We were set up when we had him here, but he didn't like it. He goes unconscious and eventually he dies.

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By the moment you are under arrest, that's for assault. So you do not have to say anything may harm the defense. If you do not make your mind questioned, someone should later align the court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. All right. It's going to be sick, I think.

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Chapter 6: What are the arguments surrounding the paradox of tolerance?

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Now, again, the officers didn't believe him. And the reason they did not believe him and believed that he was actually the person who had committed the assault is because the perpetrator had said that the white guy assaulted him. It was a lie. It was not real. He said the racist white guy assaulted him.

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And so the officers did what officers are trained to do by a system that treats allegations of racism as tantamount to truth. That is the real story here. Henry Novak's father spoke after his son's murder was sentenced to life in prison. Here's what he had to say.

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Henry did not die with dignity. He did not die with the care he deserved. He lost consciousness before anyone believed him. Let me be absolutely clear. We hold Vikram Digwar solely and 100% responsible for the brutal murder of our son. But Henry should not have died on the streets of Southampton in police custody. The way he was treated was inhumane and degrading.

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His murder, however, was afforded decency. He was believed. He was not handcuffed when arrested. He was not handcuffed when transported to the police station. As far as we understand, he was never handcuffed at all. And, as Vikram Digwar himself told the court, whilst under arrest for Henry's murder, police even took him to the kitchen so he could choose his food. The contrast is unbearable.

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So why exactly did that happen? Why did that happen? Well, the reason that happened is not because the cops in this particular scenario are deeply evil people. That is not what's going on here. The reason that this happened is because you want to talk about actual systemic racism? You want to talk about actual systemic racism? The police are basically trained.

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There's an incentive structure that says that if a person of color commits a crime against a white person and the person of color says that racism has occurred against him, all credibility is to go to the person of color. None is to go to the white person. And also. The most significant aspect of any confrontation is an allegation of racism.

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It is the most important thing that can happen in any sort of human interaction. Allegations of racism are taken at face value. And not only are they taken at face value, they are the great sin. And so if you're a cop, imagine you're a cop and you come across this situation and imagine for a second, That the person of color is telling the truth.

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That the white guy assaulted the Sikh guy for racist reasons. And you believe the white guy. You're out of a job. You lose your job. You're done. That's why the cops acted the way that they acted here. The fact that the authorities treated this case as not a particularly important case. Nothing special until it turned into a social media phenomenon.

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The fact that it took until now for the government to even acknowledge this case as something quite terrible. Keir Starmer, the prime minister, put out a statement yesterday, quote, this is an awful, shocking case. Henry's loved ones have gone through the trauma of a long trial and endured Henry's killer, making up appalling claims about their son, who was thoughtful, kind, and deeply loved.

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