The Bill Simmons Podcast
Tatum Suffers a Devastating Injury, and Dallas Wins a Wild NBA Lottery With J. Kyle Mann and Joe House
13 May 2025
The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by J. Kyle Mann and Joe House to react to the Celtics losing Game 4 against the Knicks after Jayson Tatum went down with an injury (1:44). Then, they discuss the NBA draft lottery and the Mavericks landing pick no. 1 (13:45). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: J. Kyle Mann and Joe House Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo This episode is brought to you by Degree Deodorant. Grab the original Cool Rush at Walmart or Target today. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Coming up, this went from it was supposed to be a really fun podcast to not a fun podcast at all. But we're going to try to go through it next. We're also brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network. I have new rewatchables coming for you on Tuesday night. We did Death Wish. It is big ass 70s month.
I am going to be on Zach Lowe's podcast on Tuesday late morning because he has Tales from the Lottery. Hopefully we'll find out what happened to Jason Tatum because he got hurt at the end of game four today and it did not seem good. And we're about to talk about that. as well as one of the craziest lotteries in the history of the week with Joe House and Jay Kyle, man. That is all next.
First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, we're live. I really wanted to cancel this. Tonight was not a good night for Celtic fans. Holy shit. Really tough loss in MSG. I don't know how long. J. Kyle Mann is here. Joe House is here. We're going to talk about the lottery later. We're going to play off the next Celtics game as well.
Not going to speculate too much on the Tatum thing, but it did not look good. Worst case scenario is an Achilles. Best case scenario is like torn ligaments in his ankle or some sort of bad ankle injury. But either way, like done for the series and God only knows for how long. What was your reaction when you saw Kyle? Did you think Achilles right away?
I mean, I've had a lot of sports injuries, but I'm not going to pretend to know these kind of things. But the fact that we were arguing about ankle or not, I mean, the fact that he was neutral and there was the plant and then the reverse angle where you see the pressure and then you just kind of see his ankle just kind of wobble like the stability gave out, which made me worry.
But you and I were saying that the pain part of it was the interesting reaction because to me, I've never torn that God, you know, God willing, I don't go, go there. But, uh, he, his reaction to it was what made me think because every basketball player fears that, right? I mean, it's, it's increasingly getting more, you know, doable and navigable, but with surgery and everything.
But I think his reaction was he knew that's kind of my speculation. It was, he, he knew what it was and it was just that like, holy shit, why me kind of a thing, less than a writhing in pain type thing.
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