Chapter 1: What leads investigators to Dr. Schwartz's driveway?
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Most seasoned investigators will tell you that murder investigations, regardless of how bizarre, extreme, or even brazen the crime might appear, almost always follow the Occam's razor theory. That the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation.
How could a car, in other words, get stuck in the mud at the top of Dr. Schwartz's driveway on the night of his murder, near the time of his murder, and those in the vehicle not have some sort of a connection? Which is why detectives follow the evidence, no matter where it takes them.
As the investigation headed into the second day, Schwartz's coworkers were trying to cope with not only losing a colleague, but a friend. One of the major courses of Dr. Schwartz's research focused on what we know today as forensic genetic genealogy. 23andMe, Ancestry.com, and so on.
Those companies collecting DNA from anyone willing to send it in, which can be later used to help solve murders and identify Jane and John Doe's. As his work colleague and friend Terry Woodsworth says, Dr. Schwartz was greatly interested in how DNA and the internet might work together.
The thing that made Bob special was more than just his being who he was. As important as his early work was in the science side on the DNA and DNA sequencing and how that could tell us something about the evolutionary history and all that stuff.
And so, as word of his murder trickled out, confusion and disbelief followed.
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Chapter 2: How does the investigation evolve after discovering the stuck car?
What I recall from that is the four of us got out of the vehicle, went up to the door and knocked on it. And Clara opened it. She appeared to be concerned. She didn't open the door all the way. I think Greg said, you know, are you Clara Schwartz? And she said, just a minute. And she closed the door. Locke and DiBenedetto looked at each other. Here we go.
And we were kind of standing there wondering. She was gone for a few seconds. And then she came back to the door and opened it up. And she had her ID. She handed it out to Greg. Clara invited them in. The other thing that I remember about being in that room was it was completely disheveled. I mean, it doesn't look like she ever put anything away in the closets or drawers.
Everything was just all over the place. There was hardly an inch on the floor that wasn't covered with something. It just looked like a total mess. Clara's hands were shaking.
There it is. That visceral reaction I had mentioned. Perhaps to the shock of three cops and the school psychologist showing up at your door.
She sat on the bed and he said something to the effect of, you know, I've got some bad news. I'm afraid your father has died. She seemed to take a pause for a second and then she didn't look up. She didn't gasp. All she said in a quiet voice was, how?
It was all she could manage to get out. Here was a young woman, just 20 years old, shell-shocked, blindsided by the worst news imaginable.
It was somewhat unusual to me that there was no follow-up. There was just one word, how. Not when, not where, but how.
After the news settled, they asked if she knew where her sister Michelle was. They could not find her and needed to inform her as well.
She was going to go help us try and find her and go over to Michelle's. And then she told us that Michelle was at the library studying. So we asked her to go over there with us. So we went outside. She got ready and came out and joined us and we drove over to the library first with her, started looking in the library.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do detectives face when informing Dr. Schwartz's daughters?
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