Chapter 1: What novels are discussed in this episode?
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Hi, welcome to the Bookshelf on Radio National, and as a weekly podcast, I'm Kate Evans.
And I'm Cassie McCullough, and this week's books take us to South Korea, a Brighton fun pier, and to a Native American reservation in the 1950s, Kate.
That's with Louise Edric's The Night Watchman, and it draws on her own family history and a political fight about land and sovereignty for First Nations people on a place called Turtle Mountain.
Great name. And Jo Nam-choo's novel of One Woman's Life has sold millions of copies in South Korea, and it's so controversial, Kate.
And we'll find out about that in a little while. But why don't we begin by raising a curtain and putting on a show in England in the late 1950s.
Ta-da! When the red, red robin comes bobbing along, along.
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Chapter 2: How does Louise Erdrich's The Night Watchman reflect on Native American life?
There'll be no more sobbing when he starts throbbing his old sweet song. Wake up, wake up.
Now, one of the main characters of this novel, which we're going to talk about, Graham Swift's Here We Are, came on stage every night to sing that song, to send the audience out into an English summer with a spring in their step.
Jack the Lad he was, Jack Robinson. But just a reminder, though, Graham Swift is an English writer whose novels include Mothering Sunday, Waterland and Last Orders, which won the Booker Prize in 1996. But the book here with the red, red robin is called Here We Are and it pivots around what happened in 1959 in the seaside town of Brighton with three characters.
Do you want me to put them on stage for you, Cassie?
But can I just make a nice pun here, Kate? Last Orders, published in 1996. It's been a long time between drinks.
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Chapter 3: What themes are explored in Graham Swift's Here We Are?
He has written a few others in between. But he hasn't won the Booker again, has he? No.
But if we step onto stage with these characters, we meet Jack first. So he's 28. He's the compare of a really old style variety show. He's cocky. He's a showman. And he's the voice of the opening of the novel. But then there's also Ronnie, a stage musician, whose stage name is Pablo, and Evie White, his feathered and bespangled assistant, known on stage just as Eve.
Chapter 4: What cultural issues does Cho Nam-Joo's Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982 address?
But we don't meet them all at the same time. So we do start with that character. Jack, who's at 28, he's already got this sort of world-weary style about him. He's described as already an old stager, wearing like a second skin, this black and white get-up that was the outdated rig of showmen, conmen, masqueraders everywhere.
And I actually have a bit of a weakness for conmen and masquerade characters. Well, not in real life where they'd just be awful, but on the page, I find them quite compelling for some reason.
They're a beguiling kind of seductor of them.
Yeah, I do find them quite intriguing. But I like the way that he sets up this character wearing this particular style of a showman. It made me think of the sort of the motley that the fool wears, like the traditional fool, you know, in English history.
Chapter 5: How does the podcast highlight the significance of character development?
Yes.
Look, I, and this is in no way is anything but a compliment. I imagined the Australian actor Toby Schmidt in the role of this character, someone who seems to be permanently in a dinner suit and a little bit world weary and ready for a touch of Noel Coward, perhaps.
And running that whole vaudeville type patter, which works on Brighton Pier in England because it's, you know, it's working class entertainment. It's, you know, donkey rides and ice cream on the pier. And I think it's no accident they said it in 1959 because it's the end of that type of entertainment.
Yes, it's sort of gaudy and vaudeville, but because we're seeing it through the lens of 70 years on, it seems kind of nostalgic and wonderful and quaint and beautifully coloured.
But it takes us a while to meet those other two characters, Evie and Ronnie. But we know from the start that they've wowed the audience, that there's something about their stage show that is putting them higher and higher up the billing and that they're doing something that's extraordinary. But we don't know what.
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Chapter 6: What are the connections between the characters and their historical contexts?
Yeah, so Jack is the showman. He opens the show, the ringmaster character, the impresario. Ronnie or Pablo, even maybe the great Pablo, and Evie have this magic act where she has these... Fantastic legs, we keep getting told. And she dresses to show them off at their best. So they have this, you know, the old shtick of... Sawing her in half.
Sawing her in half and all those wonderful illusions, which Jack insists on calling tricks. But at the heart of the relationship between the three, of course, is the eternal triangle, Kate.
But to make sense of that triangle, we get flicked out of 1959 and both back into the past and then 50 years into the future. So we travel into Ronnie's childhood during World War II.
Chapter 7: What impact does the Escape the Corset movement have on women in South Korea?
So actually what we see is Ronnie in the past and Evie in the future, and we see Jack really only in the present. He's very much in the present. So they occupy three different time periods.
Wow.
And three different ways of understanding character. Because Jack just sort of appears, not on stage, but at the side of the stage and then in the back of the theatre. And we don't really get a full backstory for him. We only get that for this character. sort of elusive character, Ronnie, and we do it by going into his childhood. So he's eight years old.
Chapter 8: What insights do the guests provide about the future of women’s rights in Korea?
He's one of the civilian evacuees who gets transported out of London. Very working class family. His mother was a charwoman.
And his dad was a sailor. Called Sid. And his dad came back from some sailing adventure pre-war with a beautiful parrot that he gave to Ronnie. And this was this prize pet this prize possession and then dad went back to sea and mum promptly sold the parrot so there's this lingering childhood heartache this this parrot trauma deep inside ronnie which is really quite exquisitely painful
Well, there's a lot about the bewilderment of childhood. I mean, even being transported off into the countryside and not really knowing how that was going to work, what was going to happen, the shape of this new life.
But didn't he land on his feet at Evergreen with these fantastic old sort of middle-class intellectual, well, bohemians? Yeah. Eric and Penelope. In a massive old house and lots of groovy, interesting friends. Before groovy was a word, of course.
But the other thing about this household is that it's full of kindness and love, which there was no space for in Bethnal Green with his mum, Agnes, and with this absent sailor father. And so he feels guilty that part of him would like this war to keep on going so that he could stay in this household. But what else does it offer him? What else does he discover?
Well, it becomes apparent the longer he's there that his return to Bethnal Green is going to be almost impossible because he's absorbing very quickly the conversations, the books, the knowledge. But he's also being trained by Eric, whose other name is Lorenzo, in the art of illusion. And he gets to be very good at it.
And I love the way that he, I love the way that the writer describes both the thrill of magic tricks, but also the thrill of doing it on stage. He describes it as the rough, glittery, hopeful, deluded, stage struck, thankless, magical business.
Yeah. And that pretty much sums it up. Even it's a good contemporary description of the illusionist's art, I guess. Yeah.
Yes. And then time flips again and we move out of the war period, away from the 1950s. It's 50 years later and Evie's looking back on it.
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