Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is an ABC podcast. All right, this is going to be good, isn't it?
I loved this book.
Put that effing book down.
It's a magic that can almost be addictive.
I'm reading it and reading it and I'm going, oh no. So I thought I really have to hook the reader. It's taken up half my heart, you know.
The book actually put a hex on me. Time for another podcast extra edition of The Bookshelf with me, Kate Evans, and a writer whose first novel was published when he was just 19, and it's both imaginative and accomplished. It's also addictive. I'd heard of this book but hadn't read it until very recently, at which point I'd suddenly read the first four in a series.
The writer is Christopher Paolini, and his first novel is called Eragon, which is actually the name of a dragon rider. So yes, we're talking fantasy, and I spoke to him in the context of our recent fantasy-themed book club program, where I asked him about influences, why dragons are appealing, about world building, and what he reads.
I also spoke to him just before his latest book was released, and that's a science fiction novel called To Sleep in a Sea of Stars. How do you describe the genres that you write in?
I describe the genres I write in as vehicles for good stories. As a reader myself, I do love speculative fiction. I love reading about dragons. I love reading about science fiction. But I also enjoy historical fiction and all sorts of other types of fiction. Ultimately, if a story is good, that's what matters to me. What I try to write is ultimately just a good story.
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Chapter 2: What inspired Christopher Paolini to write fantasy and science fiction?
From your very first novel, you have built entire worlds, social systems, languages even. Why is world building so important in this genre?
I think it's a necessity if you're writing about a world that doesn't actually exist, or a future that doesn't actually exist. You want it to feel real to the reader, so you have to do your groundwork to sort of think about what would this place actually be like if it actually existed. And by doing that, you also will create... New material for your story.
When you world build, the world itself influences the story and then the story influences the world. There's an old debate in fiction about what's more important, character or plot? And a lot of genre fiction gets stereotyped as being very plot heavy and literary fiction gets stereotyped as being very character heavy, which there's some truth to that.
But in my mind, it doesn't matter which side of the spectrum you start on. If you're being honest about your work, the plot will influence the characters, and the characters will influence the plot. And in the case of speculative fiction, the world plays just as important of a role. And I also find it a very enjoyable part of the process, creating those imaginary elements.
And I think that's true for a lot of the other authors in the genre that I know. We all are engineers and dreamers and speculators of the highest order. And speculative fiction gives us that opportunity to do that and to tell interesting stories.
Why are dragons so thrilling?
because they're one of the oldest mythological creatures, and because traditionally, dragons represent something more than you find with most mythical creatures. In almost every culture, dragons are linked to both the creation of the world and the destruction of the world. And in many cases, also the health of the land itself.
If the land is suffering, maybe there's an evil dragon who's spreading pestilence and war and that sort of thing. If the land is prospering, maybe again it's caused by a dragon or it's because a dragon was removed and now the land is healthy. You don't really find that level of weight with most mythical creatures. Unicorns, for example, are certainly interesting and
not usually linked to the creation of the universe itself. So on top of that, of course, we have dinosaurs. And those are the closest things I think we have to actual real dragons. And that ends up linking the two in people's minds. I know as a young kid, I always sort of conflated dinosaurs and dragons.
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Chapter 3: How does Christopher Paolini define the genres he writes in?
I always recommend this book and almost no one's read it because it's written in faux Jacobian English. It's actually a pre-Tolkien work. It's rather difficult to read, but the breadth of imagination and the generosity of spirit and just the sheer energy of that story is takes my breath away and is absolutely wonderful.
And I'd also probably throw in the Gormenghast trilogy by Mervyn Peake, Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien, the Mabinogion Tetralogy by Evangeline Walton, which is a retelling of the Welsh myths and legends, just sort of a novelized version. But her prose is so gorgeous. And again, Most people have never read her books.
So the Book of the Dun Cow by Walter Waggerin Jr., which is a talking animal allegory, but it's a good talking animal allegory. So I could go on. There are so many, and there are so many good ones out there if you really dig.
I'm interested that you mentioned Octavia Butler because it seems that in the last 10 years or so there have been a number of books that have perhaps changed the field. I'm thinking of the way that writers like Marlon James and Nnedi Okorafor, for example, have taken, say, African mythology rather than Norse or Celtic mythology and used that in their writing.
Are there books that have changed the way that you've thought about what the field can do?
That's an interesting question. I think I'm going to say no, actually, because there aren't any real books that have changed what I think the field can do in speculative fiction because I think I've always adhered to a rather philosophical view about speculative fiction that anything is possible within this field. And
If we aren't seeing that in the final results, then it's a failure of imagination on the part of the writer, not the reader. I'm delighted to see all of the amazing stories that are coming out these days and the new types of stories that come out. I was very fortunate to have a success with The Inheritance Cycle with Aragon.
And it's a very traditional fantasy story of a young hero setting off to defeat an evil king with a magic sword and a wise old mentor. I can barely read that sort of a story these days because I wrote it. And I find it fascinating and wonderful to see how people are doing new things with fantasy and science fiction.
view of what's possible because I've always thought that anything was possible in speculative fiction. If anything, I'm just happy that we're seeing more variety because the world itself has more variety, if you will, and fiction that reflects that is probably going to be a truer vision of life itself.
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Chapter 4: Why is world building crucial in fantasy and science fiction?
Because I think it's actually, there are two reasons. One is the fact that the author puts so much work into creating that world. They just don't want to let that work go to waste. It's like, well, why should I put all the, you know, years of work into what's going to be one book? You know, I really should do more. And also I think readers enjoy that. You
fiction is getting to experience a new world and a new setting and say, you know, it's a giant what if, you know, what if society did this? What if religion did that? What if physics did X, Y, Z? And then to fully explore those ideas, it's going to be very difficult in a single book. It's not impossible.
I mean, certainly authors have done that and very successfully, but a lot of times you want more space, right?
I'm often struck, I mean, fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction is so wildly imaginative. But I'm often struck by how many times the forms of government or the things that define a society are... conventional forms like monarchies. I mean, somebody like China Mieville plays around with possible government forms.
But what do you think's going on there in terms of what we can imagine when creating or reading about a whole society?
I think it depends on what the author is trying to focus on. Some authors like China Mieville, who's a very interesting person in person, I have to say. My very first Comic-Con, I got put on a panel with him. I was 19 and I was put on a panel with him.
That's pretty wild, I can imagine.
Him and Terry Brooks and Peter David and me, and they were all lovely people and we had a wonderful conversation. But I think it just depends what the author is interested in. But one of the difficulties in writing speculative fiction is if you really are truly trying to create a new world and a new future and even sometimes new technology, it requires a new way of thinking.
If you want to write about a new form of government, you have to be able to think of the new form of government in the first place. And that's very hard. I think many people can't do that even if they are perfectly smart individuals. It sometimes takes chance and
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