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Chapter 1: What is the main theme of The Bookshelf's best books of 2019?
Hi, welcome to The Bookshelf. I'm Kate Evans. And I'm Cassie McCullough. And all year we've been building up to this collective bookshelf of ours with new fiction, reviewers, recommendations and disagreements. Because we're all mad book people, we love to share the books that we love.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, his writing is so crisp, is so matter of fact. It
I loved this book, and it's not the sort of thing I normally read. On a number of occasions, I felt utterly breathless reading this.
And yet, it is so profoundly troubling. It's truly stunning.
This was the book I wanted to read when I was in school, okay? Look, this will become one of my most highly recommended young adult novels.
And I think it's one of the best American novels I've ever read, and a really very special book.
It made me gasp. I shed a tear at one point. It made me think... We also asked you for some of your own book recommendations. Thank you. And you offered up some that we've discussed on the show and new ones for us.
Yes, Melissa Lukashenko's Too Much Lip got a lot of mentions, as well as Cheryl Strayed's Off Track and Rosalind McFarlane's All the Lives We've Lived, which Kate is very close to home for me because she was my teacher at school.
Well, here's another one that was a long way from anything I knew about, and that's a Finnish classic, Unknown Soldiers by Veino Lina. So thank you to Neville, Marion, Hayley, Spud and the rest. We will add your suggestions to our webpage too.
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Chapter 2: What standout books were recommended by the guests?
One is full and then only half full. Without emptiness, the glass could not exist. If you should speak, Tina, the glass would shatter.
Oh, goodness, Stephen. David, I saw that you were nodding there. Have you come across this work?
I've only come across it as a bookseller. I still haven't read it. I'm nodding in profound appreciation of what Stephen was reading.
It's amazing. Yeah, incredible. We're off to quite a start there. What about you, David?
Now for something completely different. Well, this is something that I only found this year, although it was published in 2018. The first sentence, the day somebody put a gun to my breast and called me a cat, and threatened to shoot me was the same day the Milkman died. It's the opening sentence of Milkman, which was the 2018 Booker Prize winner.
An extraordinary book, in my opinion, because it's the most audacious use of a voice that I've struck in many years in fiction. The voice of an 18-year-old who's a captive in her own world. It's a powerfully dark feminist thing.
And I love the way that it's not until the very end of that book that we make sense of exactly what happened with Somebody McSomebody.
I don't understand it, but many people would say this is a very dense and almost incomprehensible book. It is not. As soon as you relax yourself into the rhythm of the prose, long, long sentences, long, long paragraphs, but they're all part of the build.
But, David, I also read that it is the lowest selling of all who've won it.
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Chapter 3: How do the panelists evaluate the impact of Australian authors?
The childhood of Jesus, the school days of Jesus, and the death of Jesus. And they're all short, simple, but elegant books that have as their central character a young boy. In the final book, he's 10 years old. And he is orphaned, more or less, and lives with adoptive parents who aren't together. And they live in a kind of fictional part of the world, which is probably somewhere around Spain.
And it's jam-courtsier. So what can you say about it, except you have no idea what's really going on. And of course, I love that. The word Jesus, I don't think is mentioned once in the three books, except on the title page. It's a 10 year old boy. We all kind of know that Jesus was crucified at roughly the age of 33. Well, that doesn't happen to David in these books.
In fact, I wouldn't even like to say much more about what happens to David in these books, because I think even with the titles, readers might still not know what's going to happen because it isn't about 30-year-old men in the Middle East.
But Stephen, I interrupted. You said there were three top Australian books, one by Kitsaya, who we're claiming, because why not? So what are the other two?
The other two I would select would be Charlotte Wood's new novel, The Weekend. It's staggeringly good. I think it's her best book, and that's quite a big statement given her previous novel, The Natural Way of Things, was also a remarkable work of fiction. But this one, I think, takes a further step, takes us somewhere else.
And also, it's just remarkable how she adjusts as a writer to an entirely different group of characters. The four main characters in the new novel are all about 72. In the previous novel, they were young women who'd been abducted and held hostage in the outback. Just remarkable writing. And also, before I finish on that, it has the greatest dog character just about that I've ever seen.
Finn, the 17-year-old Labrador poodle, who's much more than a dog.
Describe Finn's physical state for us, Stephen.
arthritic, deaf, more or less blind, incontinent. In need of a wash. He's 17 and I only found out this week there's been a new study that's come out that's reassessed how we age dogs, in fact. And using the algorithm that this new study has supplied, I have worked out that Finn is 75. So he's in fact the exact same age almost as the women in the novel. And I think that's very important.
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Chapter 4: What unique perspectives do the guests bring to book recommendations?
It was taking me to a contemplation of some really dark stuff. And I... You know, maybe, you know, I'm not ready to think about that. I'll put it out there as a, you know, personal failing. But I also found the increasing crepitude and the description of bodies falling apart just really depressing. Yeah.
And partly that's because she's so good at it.
Quite true.
And because it's real. Yeah, it's real. That's what happens.
I'm in denial about it, so I can't agree.
I think there was a third on your list, Stephen. We all seem to be responding to your list here.
The third one that I would nominate, and I must say, this is the one I've read most recently of the ones I've talked about and it has stuck in my head hard since. is Christos Tsiolkos' new novel, Damascus. I read it in two sittings, it's about 500 pages, and it is a novel about the early days of Christianity. The central character is the person we know as St Paul.
But what Christos does in all of his writing, but this is such a big challenge to do it with the subject matter he's using here, is he makes it so human. I just think it's a remarkable achievement. In fact, when I read it, I thought to myself afterwards, could I think of another Australian writer who could do this? And I haven't thought about that for a long time.
Patrick White, you reckon, David?
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Chapter 5: What are some notable young adult novels discussed in the episode?
But really, the book is really about, it's also about gender, the most feminine character in the book, the most caring and nurturing character in the book is a transgender man. It's a really beautiful exploration of how we choose to become who we are and that process. So it's really about becoming. And it's very moving as well as being very clinically kind of satirizing.
It sounds to me like we're hearing quite a few books that play around with form as well as books that aren't afraid of really big, bold ideas, histories. And so I guess, David, one of the things that I'm curious about is as a bookseller, are there books that it's hard to sell because they're too experimental or too daring? How
Probably three of the last four we've just talked about would fill the bill. It obviously depends on the reader, but it's very difficult to explain books sometimes. And I've seen eyes glaze over many, many times. They've said, you must read this because, and the very reasons I'm giving are the reasons that someone would say, well, no, I need a... I need a consecutive narrative.
I don't want to come out of my comfort zone, I'm afraid. I mean, certainly Christos' work would fit that bill. Probably everything he's written, but we know he needs to be read, he deserves to be read, he ought to be read. So it's difficult because you can lead horses.
But, yeah, and of course it's almost always in fiction because people have this perception built up over a long period of centuries that the novel form has been around that you shouldn't muck around with it.
And we were talking about this last week in our episode where we were looking at the Topeka School by Ben Lerner, which is particularly impenetrable. So I found. You found that too. I think Kate struggled as well. I quite enjoyed it because it's so out there. But he said in an interview that he doesn't aim to be accessible. And I defend his right to do that, to be that. Absolutely. Yeah.
And on the other hand, there was another book we talked about last week, partly written in Jamaican patois, which I found absolutely thrilling. Cordella Forbes, A Tall History of Sugar. On the page, that might seem like something that's almost impossible to read, but it was the opposite. And even like Max Porter's Lanny, a book that is written...
in a very poetic way, a character who spread through the leaf litter of a small town, and yet what a wonderful piece of fiction that was.
I think in a lot of cases it's a question of relaxing into the rhythm of the prose, and if you can't have the time or the luxury of concentrated periods for that, then you just lose. I mean, there are books that you simply can't read by going to bed and saying, I've got half an hour before... It falls on the floor.
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Chapter 6: How do the guests feel about experimental writing styles?
It's just that unlike you, I am aware that all of this is going to happen and I'm deeply interested in it. So what were we talking about? Difficult books. Difficult books. Okay, well, let's just roll him out, roll him out right now. Michel Welbeck, the French novelist, and his new novel, Serotonin.
Now, I was thinking of David before I came in today because, not that this book has that, but you know how publishers these days are putting stickers on the cover of the book saying, if you don't love it, money back? Does that happen much?
Do people bring a book back? That's why they put the stickers on.
Makes sense. Do people ever bring back in a book and say, I'm sorry, I need my money back?
Yes, they do. You cover the whole spectrum of human activity in a retail environment. So people do with theā¦ Well, I didn't like it. I didn't like it. It wasn't what I expected. The shoes didn't fit. Wow. And you do what you do.
Don't they know that you just give it to a friend with a vague recommendation and it's gone? You don't have to think about it again.
They ought to be able to, but people have their ways.
I personally think a lot of readers will put down serotonin on page 42, and I'm not going to, on public radio, go into what happens on page 42, except to say it involves the protagonist's girlfriend, a bull terrier and a boxer. And I don't mean a pugilist. I mean a canine boxer. That's all I'll say. I think a lot of readers will put it down at that point and not pick it up again.
And, of course, that fascinates me because... We were talking a moment ago about writers who dare their readers. I think, and I don't know because I've never interviewed him, I've never met him, I think Welbeck takes that a step further. He tries to annoy his readers.
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Chapter 7: What nonfiction works stood out in 2019 according to the panel?
And yet it's an extraordinarily uplifting book witness. And at the end, it has what I love. It has a great reading list of all the things that Elie Wiesel would discuss in class or that other students raised in class. And that's really fun.
And those hybrid forms that use fictional writing techniques but are based on life or research or history is something that I think is quite rich. Narrative non-fiction, David Gaunt?
Probably the outstanding piece of writing I read this year was Underland by Robert McFarlane, which you could describe as that because he is such a breathtakingly beautiful writer. I mean, very rich, probably overwrought for some people's tastes. But the fact is he's a Cambridge academic who must have the best job because he just says, I have to go adventuring now.
climbing mountains and walking great distances and rediscovering lost worlds. And in this case, he's taken us under, under, under land. And he's used the whole history of the mythology across cultures of why we're so incredibly scared of what's down there because it's death.
And he risks death in this book, literally, in many different places of the world just to experience what it's like to be there. So he goes caving and he gets stuck. He goes in the catacombs under the railway lines in Paris. And it is the most uncomfortable. I've given this to a few other people to test.
you have to put it away because you are so scared and claustrophobic of what he's experiencing as he's crawling along with a backpack underneath, you know, anyway, everyone gets very, quite rightly, very scared of that situation. But he also takes you off the coast of Norway where fishermen have been going for generations and diving to get whatever they are down there.
You can get off the coast of Norway at any time of the year and avoiding the icebergs. But it's all wrapped in a very, very profound feeling about this is the Anthropocene life we are now living and this is the potential end of it. And from underground, I can show you why that's the case.
Yes, we had... Robert Forster, the singer-songwriter from The Go-Betweens. He loved it. Yeah, he was right into it like you.
Yeah, I think it's an exceptionally beautiful... He's been writing wonderfully for 20 years, but I think this is the most important thing he's written.
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Chapter 8: What are the anticipated books coming in 2020?
I'm sorry, I liked them all on some level, but I think they were guilty of this.
Come on, panel, defend some of these writers.
I thought Keyshot was a wonderful novel.
Good.
Fantastic.
I can see how I suppose in some ways he's keeping up with the times because it involves climate change and authoritarian leaderships in what used to be Western liberal democracies. But I also would suggest that reimagining a 400-year-old novel is not keeping necessarily only up with the times.
David, did I hear you say then you threw it across the room?
I did.
Tell us why.
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