The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge
Moore-Butts: Is This An Audition For The Hockey Night Panel?
26 May 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main focus of the conversation about Canadian hockey?
Are you ready for another more butts conversation? It's coming right up. And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here along with, uh, James Moore, Gerald butts. It's a more butts conversation. And, uh, We're actually going to try and be like Ron McLean and Kelly Rudy and company. We're going to do a little hockey talk, first of all, because I find what's been going on.
You know, every time there's a Stanley Cup playoffs, we get into this thing about, well, yeah, but who's the Canadian team in there? And will there even be a Canadian team? Well, there's always a Canadian team. Most of these teams are majority Canadian players. But I get it. It's about which city they come from. And this time we're in the semifinals.
There are only four teams left, and one of them is Canadian. So are we all cheering for the Montreal Canadiens? Or is there some of those old biases held back against whether it's Montreal or Toronto? There usually is some bias against those teams. But... Who wants to start on this?
I mean, let's start with Jerry because Jerry's actually been to one of the, was in one of the Carolina games, went down there to watch it all. Talk to me about this because it seems to me anyway, this time around, there is more of a kind of let's get behind Montreal feeling as opposed to what we've seen in the past. Maybe it's because it's been so long since a Canadian city has been in.
But what are your thoughts on this?
Yeah, I agree with that, Peter. And as a diehard Montreal Canadiens fan, I'm obviously thrilled to have all of you Leafs and Canucks and other Canadian teams fans on board. Although I will say, I think the most recalcitrant are the Leafs.
That'll change, of course, if it's a Montreal-Vegas final, because the Leafs fans will be reacting in horror to the prospect of Mitch Marner winning the Conn Smythe and holding up
That'll be in horror, the possibility of either side winning those two teams.
Yeah, and we talked a little bit about this during the Olympics, and we'll say no more about that.
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Chapter 2: How do biases affect support for Canadian hockey teams?
But it's great to see the whole country get behind something and rib each other about it and joke about it and put aside our petty differences about our teams to all get behind one team. And I think Montreal being... Montreal, it's hard to explain to people who don't live in Montreal what that city is like when the Canadians are on a deep playoff run.
The last one was super weird because it was during COVID when they made the final. But I'm dating myself here as usual. But I was a lowly undergraduate university student the last time the Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup. And I remember experiencing what Montreal was like in the spring of 1993, thinking this must be the happiest place in the universe, right?
That nobody thinks ill of anybody else for any reason whatsoever. And of course, within 18 months, we were in the middle of a referendum where we almost lost the country. So things can change very quickly, and there's a good lesson there. But I do think the whole country is behind the Canadians right now. And
with the historic issue historical issues we've had on linguistic politics and quebec versus the rest of the country i think it's just great for the country it was one of what i thought was that maybe it's a function of my day job these days but when i saw emmanuel macron holding up tech XCA jersey with the premier, the new premier of Quebec.
I thought it was, you know, that's a great moment because even when you think of our historical issues with Quebec and France, he has to hold, the president of France has to hold up a jersey where the team name is the Canadians. So it all kind of works out in the end. And I will say, I was in Carolina for the game on Saturday with my daughter.
And it's a very positive, festive atmosphere down there as well. They're very welcoming of people. We were proudly wearing our Habs jerseys at the game. It's probably 5%, 10% of the crowd were wearing Habs jerseys. And they were fighting, but they were doing it politely. It was great. It was really good.
All right, James, bring us to reality here.
no i i the among the things that i like about like i'm hoping for montreal canadians colorado avalanche final not to over overly analyze the things because i i want uh nathan mckinnon and kale mccarr to have their moment that they didn't have the olympics and all that so it's kind of a win-win um final and the colorado has been so good for the year to the year um however you know certainly the montreal canadians
if you're a hockey fan, it's a phenomenal story because it's not just that they're having a good run. It's that they, they went into the Valley and now they're coming back out and they've got sort of, they had a plan. They have a coach, they have a young core of players. They play exciting hockey. Um, they seem to be properly built and structured.
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Chapter 3: What historical context influences the Montreal Canadiens' current playoff run?
And I'm joking, and you can't joke on Twitter, but I hadn't learned that yet. So I joked on Twitter and I said, the Canucks are Canada's team in these Stanley Cup playoffs. They're Canada's team. And they've got those handsome blue and green uniforms in those Canadian Alliance colors. Oh. And I was just trying to poke a little fun, whatever.
So I said that, and I think in a ā I can't remember where I said it, but I said it. And then the prime minister's ā I was the Canadian heritage minister, by the way, when I said that. The Canucks were Canada's team in the playoffs, and the Cavs were still in the playoffs with us.
So I'm walking home, and I get a phone call from my director of communications, and they said, the prime minister's office wants to know exactly what did you say about the Montreal Canadiens.
What?
And I said, what? I said, I was just joking about the playoffs. They said, no, this is a problem. And I said, what's a problem? And they said that you asserted what you asserted. I said, there's two Canadian teams in the playoffs. You can't. And I had not understood this firestorm that I'd kicked off. So, of course, the Canucks lost that round. And of course, the Canadians won that round.
It went on to the next round. So, of course, I had to do the Canadian thing and stand up in the Parliament of Canada wearing a Montreal Canadiens jersey to say, now we're all Canadians. So I was so I perfectly made myself out to look like an idiot. And then I had to eat it. And and there you are. And I remember I was standing up in the house and I was reading a statement as the heritage minister.
We're all united behind the Montreal Canadiens. And here we go. And the Canucks lost. And I shouldn't have said what I said. And I remember looking across and Thomas Mulcair and I think a camera who else is there from Montreal. They're looking and they're like, what is Moore doing here? It's like, what is going on?
Well, yes, I've jumped on the grenade that I from the pin of which I pulled myself. So but we're all Habs fans, I think now. And because it also, by the way, you know, that moment where somebody would walk into Donald Trump's office and say, who won the Stanley Cup? The Canadians. Yeah. Which ones? The Canadians.
That's kind of a cool moment, I think.
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Chapter 4: Why is there a renewed national interest in the Montreal Canadiens?
That would be the apex of my career, though. For all of us, eh? All of us. If any of us got on there. I don't want to dwell too much on this, so I just really have one other question. Is it saying anything in particular about the country right now, about, you know, whether it's the whole, you know, Trump versus Canada stuff, that we have got ā
Seemingly, you know, I don't want to overstate this, but it just seems to me that we have been more caught up with this than usual. Maybe it's just because it's been a while since there was a Canadian team approaching the possibility of being in the finals. But are we making too much of this, James?
No, I think it's around hockey specifically. I think it's a confluence of a bunch of things. First of all, it's been a long season, right? And coming out of last year, Donald Trump gets elected president, says we're not a real country. We should be the 51st state. We have nothing to be proud of as a country.
Then we go into the four nations instead of the Stanley Cup, instead of the usual all-star break. And then we had the Olympics this year where we had the disappointment. And by the way, it's been really good hockey. All of it. Four Nations is great. Obviously, the Olympics was great. The whole season has been really good. So there's sort of this compounding thing about it.
And I also think that Canadians are looking for a distraction. It's been a rough year. It's been a rough few years in a lot of ways. Cost of living crisis, inflation, lots of things going on. and a lot of stress in people's lives. And so I think this is a nice escape. By the way, a separate story, but still about hockey.
In the nine and a half years that Stephen Harper was prime minister, there were four occasions that a Canadian team went to the Stanley Cup final. Calgary once, Edmonton once, Montreal once, Vancouver once. Did I get that right? No, Ottawa once. Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver.
In 2011, so we, you know, we win the gold medal in 2010, 2011, the Vancouver Canucks go to the Stanley Cup final. Stephen Harper calls and Canucks win game one decisively, win game two decisively. Stephen Harper says, looks like the Canucks are going to sweep, of course. Now that you said it out loud, right? And so it's like the Canucks might sweep. So we're going to go to Boston.
This is my fourth time a Canadian team could win the Stanley Cup. We're going to go to Boston and be in the lower bowl in case the Canucks sweep and win the Stanley Cup. He said, do you want to come? I said, yeah. And so I paid for my ticket. I said, yeah, I'm going to go. So we paid for my ticket. uh, paid for my airfare.
We went down to the challenger, but we had, you know, this, this is, this is a personal thing, not a, you know, so anyway, so I had to read it.
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Chapter 5: How does the Montreal Canadiens' success impact Canadian identity?
We're checked for the receiver general for a couple of thousand or whatever, but we went down, went to, um, uh, to Boston garden or fleet center, whatever it's called now. And, and we went in, met Cam Neely before the game. He was my boyhood idol as, as a Vancouver boy, former Canuck as well, GM of the, of, The Canucks turned out they lost game three, so we weren't going to win in game four.
We decided to go anyway. That was the most incredible hockey environment next to the game, the gold winning game of the Olympics for Team Canada in Boston. That crowd, steep rake of the stadiums was really steep, really aggressive, really loud, but still a quarter of the people in the arena were Vancouver Canucks fans. who had made the trip, who had come out.
And so it's really a galvanizing thing. And you see now in Montreal, the energy in the streets and the pride in the team, the narrative that we've talked about. You know, as churches, our attendance is down, volunteerism is down. The singing of the national anthem happens at hockey games and in sports arenas in ways that doesn't happen. It's kind of the new town hall.
It's the new village square in a lot of ways for a lot of people where people of different backgrounds come together. A lot of working class people come together and they enjoy hockey and they stand in a room and they all cheer for something that they have in common. That's not politics. It's not sport or not religion. It's sports. It's something that doesn't matter, but it does matter.
It's a sense of pride. It's a sense of identity and it draws people together. You sing the national anthem and it's kind of the new village square. And there's something very special about that and very unifying about that in good times and in bad times. So it is a special thing. And hockey is our thing.
And so I think it is really, really important that it gets understood as a cultural moment, not just a sporting moment. because we've had a lot of those, and this is one of them.
That was really good. But, Jerry, did you notice how he kind of slipped in the fact that there have been more Stanley Cup appearances by Canadian teams under a conservative government than liberal governments? Interesting.
Got close and lost. That sounds powerful.
Well, by the way, 1993, I believe the conservatives, progressive conservatives, conservatives were a story in government when we won that cup. So yeah, we'll take that. We'll take that for another few months.
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Chapter 6: What political implications arise from the Montreal Canadiens' playoff success?
Go Habs go if that's my last word. Three of them.
You probably have a lot of agreement in that right now. Okay, we're going to take our break and come back and we'll talk not hockey. It kind of sounds like it and feels like it at some point, but we're going to talk Alberta. Coming back right after this. And welcome back. You're listening to The Bridge, the Tuesday episode of the Moore-Butts conversation. We talked hockey for a few minutes.
They're pretty good hockey people, our friend Jerry Butts and James Moore. Okay, we're getting into politics now, and I'm trying to understand... What exactly is going on in Alberta? First of all, you're listening on Sirius XM, channel 167, Canada Talks, or on your favorite podcast platform, or you're watching us on our YouTube channel. Glad to have you with us.
Okay, James, you start us off on this round. I mean, the dust has to some degree settled, but in many ways... people are puzzled by the decisions of the Alberta Premier and what appears to be going on in Alberta in terms of a referendum and a referendum and God knows how many other referendums there may be.
But what's your sense after a few days of this and watching the back and forth that's been taking place on the part of Alberta politicians and politicians from outside the province as well? What's your feeling on this?
Albertans have rightly complained that their place in Confederation has been challenged by the disorder and the messiness of Confederation itself, by the nature of the structure of our constitution, that they want to get their products to global markets, that their voice isn't heard in Ottawa. And there's lots of uncertainty.
You know, why is it that a province of 900,000 people has 10 senators in New Brunswick and You know, and we only have six. Like, why is it that we consistently don't vote for the party that wins three out of four elections, but they don't seem to ever listen to our voice? Well, the racking up and all that.
And then now we're in a circumstance where you have the official opposition leader, Pierre Poliev, who's a son of Alberta, who's now a member of parliament from Alberta, who's the official leader of the official opposition party. who is absolutely fighting for Alberta's interests.
You have a prime minister who has stood down a lot of the antagonisms of Justin Trudeau on carbon taxes and pipelines. He signed an MOU with Daniel Smith. He's ready to work on things. We've gone from a government that was led by Justin Trudeau and all those antagonisms propped up by Jagmeet Singh
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Chapter 7: How do recent political dynamics affect Alberta's relationship with Canada?
And the scars of this last a really long time. These are not things that go away overnight. And I think it's really unfortunate.
Okay. Well, that obviously leads to the why question. But before we get to it, Jerry, your opening thoughts on it.
Well, look, I think that in some ways, and there's very few positives to come out of this, Peter, but I try and be an optimist and look for them in every dark cloud.
I think that this is a clarifying moment for a lot of people within Alberta, especially and first and foremost, but also people in the rest of the country, that there is a small minority of people in Alberta, as there is in Quebec, who would prefer to see the country broken into
into pieces so they can go their own way and that group has through political organizing taken over the governing party of the government of Alberta and I think that for the vast majority of fair-minded people who are looking at the legitimate beefs that Alberta or any other province has with the way they are being treated by the central government in Ottawa.
And God knows when I was working in the Ontario government, there were lots of beefs and we certainly made our voices known about that.
you have to draw the conclusion that there's a certain small group of people that are just strategically unpleasable, that there's absolutely nothing that Mark Carney or any other prime minister could do of any political stripe that would please the people who've now revealed themselves in public to be secessionists or seppies, as they've
started calling them in Alberta, which is kind of a funny term. And I think that's clarifying for people because it's hard to do politics when people are pretending to be something they're not, when they're pretending to share your values when they really don't.
So I think that if we're looking for a silver lining here, I think we've exposed a bunch of people who first and foremost have exposed them to their fellow Albertans as people who don't share their values and don't want to remain part of Canada and to...
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Chapter 8: What future challenges might arise from Alberta's political situation?
So what are we going to do? Well, we eventually arrived at the position that if I become prime minister, we will ask Canadians whether or not they want to revisit the issue. That was what was proposed. And so we put a free vote to Parliament not to open the issue of same-sex marriage, but to ask Parliament if we want to ask Canadians if we want to reopen the issue.
And Parliament, in a minority Parliament, it's very convenient, minority Parliament, all the opposition parties stood up and said, no, we don't want to do that. A lot of Conservatives, I was among them, who said, we don't want to do that. A lot of Conservatives who were against gay marriage said, this issue is now closed and it's time to move on. Said, like Michael Chong,
who voted against same-sex marriage, but by 2006 and 2007 said, this issue is closed and it's time to move on. So we moved on. So to me, it seems the formula that Daniel Smith has arrived at is actually borrowed from Stephen Harper on same-sex marriage, which is, let's ask if we should ask. And it worked for Stephen Harper. He was able to get out of it.
Daniel Smith will probably get out of it as well.
How?
Yeah.
Well, the question will go forward. Do you want to have a referendum? And I think as a result of all this and the dust storm that's been sort of blown up, people will say, you know what, this is not worth it. And there's no actual path to separation that is going to be better for Alberta. This doesn't make a lot of sense. I imagine that the voices of
federalism, Canadiana, the Alberta-Canadian partnership being the best pathway forward for Albertans, in my view, that argument will win out and Daniel Smith will probably be able to stand down having a flat-out referendum question. Now, 10 or 20% of Albertans will still continue the fight, but they'll do it without her.
Her political problem will endure, which is why this is not a solution for her politically. But on the issue of separatism, it probably will buy the province time to get away from this.
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