The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge

Look Up, Way Up ... To The Night Sky

10 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A Thursday night potpourri -- starting with some things to be watching for in the night sky that hven't been seen in hundreds of years! And yes, more...

Smoke, Mirrors And The Truth (2) - Bruce Is Back And The Two Michaels Are On The Table.

09 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

China, Vaccines and Pardons all up for discussion. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection ...

It Was Forty Years Ago Today ......

08 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Thoughts about John Lennon on the day he was shot --- plus a really important interview with Janice Stein about the peace talks about to begin in Afgh...

Oh Christmas Tree, Oh Christmas Tree!

07 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to Week 39 and the challenge of getting a tree. But that's not all! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informa...

The Weekend Special #38 - Tell Me Something Good (2)

04 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your letters this week were amazing ... so many this is the longest 'bridge daily" so far. Enjoy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.a...

How Ready Is The Vaccine Distribution System? -- One Of The Top Decision Makers in The Country Answers That Right Here.

03 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

General Rick Hillier is in charge of Ontario's vaccine distribution -- and we ask him some of the key questions. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz comp...

Smoke, Mirrors And The Truth -- Bruce Anderson Joins Me For The New Podcast Within A Podcast

02 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Oh, I think you might like this. Maybe not agree, but like, yes! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about ...

Winter's Here -- Finally.

01 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

From snow arriving to the minute on time, to the approval rating for how your premier is handling Covid. We've got it all on the pod today. Hosted by...

Someone Asked For My Favourite TV Show -- Prepare Yourself!

30 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lots of "stuff" in this pod as we kick off Week 38 with a few gems. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information abou...

The Weekend Special #37 -- Tell Me Something Good

27 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your answers and the winning one gets a signed copy of "Extraordinary Canadians"! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for in...

Rating Pandemic Risks - Lessons For The Holidays

26 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, whats with the cover art today? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of pe...

The Race Next Door ..... Bruce Is Back

25 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson and some really good new talk on what's happening south of the border as Joe Biden rolls out his team.. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWiz...

A Very Special Guest -- David Suzuki On Covid And Our Lives

24 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

You won't want to miss this one. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of persona...

Welcome To Week 37 - Something Special To Tell You

23 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Guess who tomorrow's special guest is? Plus the latest on the book, the Washington follies, and the vaccine. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company...

The Weekend Special #36

20 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your letters, thoughts and comments. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of per...

Conspiracy Theories -- And How To Protect Yourself

19 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

I've been holding on to the idea of this talk for about a month -- figured now was a good time to drop it. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. S...

How Are Governments In Canada Doing In The Fight Against Covid -- Bruce Anderson With The Latest Survey

18 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Just out of the field with new research on how you feel. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our colle...

A Good News Bad News Kind Of Day

17 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

More catch up on everything from books to vaccines to airlines. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about ...

We're #1 But Do We Want To Be?

16 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Canada has been buying up potential vaccines at a rate unlike any other country in the world. Is that good? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company....

The Weekend Special #35 -- Bruce Anderson Joins For Your US Election Comments.

13 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The mailbag and more! Enjoy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal d...

Straight Talk About Where We Are On The Pandemic In Canada

12 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Dr Isaac Bogoch is an infectious disease expert and he is frank about what we need to do if we are going to get this under control -- too many parts o...

We Remember

11 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A different year, a different method, but we still remember. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our c...

Can The Sound Of Your Cough Determine Whether You Have Covid-19?

10 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

An intriguing new study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology tells a few things about the art of listening to a cough. And whatever happene...

Welcome To Week 35 -- Vaccines And Books (one in particular!)

09 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Good news on the vaccine front, and exciting news on the book front -- enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for inform...

What Happens If Biden Is Asked To Pardon Trump? - A Sunday "Race Next Door Special" On That And A Lot More with Bruce Anderson (#21)

08 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lots of issues to talk about on this Sunday morning special the day after Biden wins the US presidency. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See ...

Bruce, Chantal and Me -- Just Like The Old Days. The Race Next Door (#20)

06 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

You want talk about how the media covered the US election? You got it right here, right now. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswiz...

Your Questions -- Our Answers. From The US Election to Brian Mulroney to Remembrance Day

05 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A bit of catch up today while we keep our eye on the big story. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about ...

The Day After The Night Before -- The Race Next Door (#19) with Bruce Anderson

04 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Another day timer -- as the post mortem begins! Enjoy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collect...

An Election DAY Special -- How To Watch And What To Watch For With Bruce And Me And The Race Next Door (#18)

03 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

We're putting this out early to help get you ready for tonight. Have Fun. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informat...

What Do You Mean, You Have Donald Trump As A Guest? How About Mark Critch! The Race Next Door (#17)

02 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Mark Critch tries to get us in the right mood for tomorrow's action. The 22 Minutes star calls in from Halifax for a bit of fun. Hosted by Simplecas...

The Right Honourable Podcast -- Brian Mulroney Joins Bruce And Me For The Race Next Door (#16).

30 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A fascinating conversation with the country's seventeenth prime minister -- he's pretty blunt about the stakes in the race next door! Hosted by Simpl...

The Weekend Special #33 -- A Day Early But Still Special!

29 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Catching up after a couple of weeks of missing your comments, thoughts, questions. All good! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswiz...

Celebrating A Million -- Thanks To All Of You!

28 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

It's a potpourri day with lots to catch up on. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and ...

Could voters in Canada decide who wins the US election? The Race Next Door (#15) with Bruce Anderson and our special guest.

27 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

We reach out to Aspen Colorado for former US Ambassador Bruce Heyman and how he’s trying to “get out the vote”. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWi...

The Power Of And The Money Behind Political Advertising - The Race Next Door (#14) With Bruce Anderson

26 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

We've got a week of specials for you in this the final week of the US election. This one focuses on the race to impact voter's minds through advertis...

The Race Next Door (#13) With Bruce Anderson And Special Guest Lisa Raitt

23 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A great conversation post final debate as the US election enters its final days. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for inf...

How Did Today's Podcast End Up Talking About Space Junk?

22 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Okay so its a Thursday potpourri and we cover a lot of ground in a mere 27:31! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for infor...

The Race Next Door (#12) With Bruce Anderson And Special Guest Gerry Butts.

21 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Gerry Butts brings his insider analysis to the pod today to set up tomorrow's final presidential debate. It's a master class in watching from this si...

What's Your Plan For The Winter? Better Get One.

20 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Whatever Happened to the flattened curve? That and a lot more -- including a special ending! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswiz...

So, Who Is The Real "Idiot" And The Real "Disgrace"?

19 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Trump versus Fauci, another day another insult. And everything else from Halloween to Zoom. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz...

The Weekend Special #31- The People Are Always Right, And You Are The People!

16 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your weekly mailbag of comments, questions and thoughts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our colle...

Searching For Some Optimism

15 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Second thoughts on Judge Amy Coney Barrett, and some welcome thoughts on the power of optimism and the value of a smile. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsW...

The Race Next Door (#11) With Bruce Anderson - So Is It Really All Over Or Are We Missing Something?

14 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Our most popular weekday podcast as Bruce and I try to make sense of the race next door. Lots to chew on here. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz compa...

Maybe Its Time You Wiped Your Cellphone Down

13 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to Week 31 and a collection of stories you just find useful. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information abo...

The Thanksgiving Weekend Special (#30)

09 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Enjoy your holiday weekend and stay healthy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and us...

A "Monster" and a "Communist" --- Really? -- This Week's Race Next Door (#10) with Bruce Anderson

08 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The podcast within a podcast with Bruce Anderson and me deconstructing the Veep Debate. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com ...

How Do You Handle A Customer Who Won't Wear A Mask?

07 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A hump day potpourri special! Lots of stuff for your Wednesday. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about ou...

Saying Goodbye

06 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Funerals are never easy, funerals at a time of Pandemic are even harder.Saying goodbye to John Turner Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pc...

"History Sits On A Bed Of Lies" -- Welcome To Week #30

05 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lots to talk about including your thoughts, comments and questions we missed because of Friday's special edition of the "Race Next Door". Hosted by Si...

The Weekend Special #29 -- "A Race Next Door #9 Special"

02 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

With Trump suffering from Covid and in hospital, Bruce joins for a special. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informat...

Are School Openings Working Through The Pandemic -- Europe May Have The Answer.

01 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, what do James Cameron, Clint Eastwood and Martin Scorcese have in common aside from being film directors? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz compa...

"Shut Up, Man" -- The Race Next Door #8

30 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson joins the pod again for our regular Wednesday Race Next Door. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informa...

So Guess Which Province Seems To Be The First To Give The Seasonal Flu Shot?

29 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

So you wanted to be the first to go on a cruise ship? Oops. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our co...

If You Haven't Already, Maybe Now Is The Time To Download The Covid Alert App

28 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Canadian Covid numbers are going up big time, so why is Ontario opening casinos? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for inf...

The Weekend Special #28 -- Enjoy

25 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lots of your thoughts, questions and comments in this the last week of September! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for i...

If Trump Loses Will There Be A Peaceful Transition Of Power? -- Of Course There Will

24 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

I had a speech in Calgary today -- but I wasn't there. How'd that work for you? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for inf...

The Race Next Door #7 -- (And A Bit Of The Race Right Here)

23 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson joins the pod again for insight on the US election but also some insight on the thinking behind the Throne Speech and the PM's address ...

Welcome To The Second Wave

22 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

It's here. Says me anyway. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal da...

Remembering John Turner

21 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

It's always a tough weekend when you lose a "friend". Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collec...

The Weekend Special #27 - Enjoy.

18 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The focus this week -- going back to class. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use...

Why Are Americans Getting Their Seasonal Flu Shots And We're Still Waiting?

17 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Talk about a remote podcast -- this one is from the dock!Some important stuff about the seasonal flu vaccine, PLUS rating how the world feels about Do...

Follow The Money -- The Race Next Door #6

16 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson joins me again for a wide ranging edition of TRND - the podcast within a podcast. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.ads...

A Dog's Life in Covid-19

15 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Potpourri time tonight --- everything but the kitchen sink. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our co...

Just The Facts Please -- Where Are We In Canada On The Covid Story?

14 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Time to talk to our expert. How Concerned should we be about the rising numbers in Canada? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz....

The Weekend Special #26 -- Enjoy.

11 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your letters, thoughts and comments for Week 26. As always, some good ones! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informa...

Woodward Day Two -- Should The Trump Tapes Have Been Released Months Ago?

10 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, are Fox News hosts "suckers"? (NOT Chris Wallace on Sunday mornings, but just about everyone else). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. S...

Bob Woodward Does It Again -- Plus, The Race Next Door #5

09 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Not a good day for Donald Trump. In fact a terrible one. Plus your questions for Bruce and me on TRND. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See ...

Just How Effective Is Your Mask? Here's The Test Anyone Can Do To Find Out.

08 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, Doug Ford does the Dad thing as the numbers start to climb. And, some bizarre ideas airlines have to raise money. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsW...

The Weekend Special #25 - Enjoy.

04 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your letters, comments and questions for the 25th full week of the "bridge daily"! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for i...

What Do The Latest Pandemic Numbers Really Say?

03 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, the remarkable delivery chain being established to get the vaccine when it's ready to you. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.a...

The Race Next Door #4 - Can "Law and Order" Change the Channel?

02 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

My weekly conversation with Bruce Anderson about the US election race, PLUS just how safe is the air on passenger aircraft? Hosted by Simplecast, an A...

Here's An Interesting Idea That Could Make Back To Class Fun.

01 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus, is Big Oil losing its influence? And a plug for tomorrow's Race Next Door, the podcast within a podcast. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz compa...

The Back To School Experience -- Keeping Things In Context

31 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lessons from the first weeks of the school return in Germany. Is there something for us to learn? And crunching the "bridge daily" numbers. Welcome t...

The Weekend Special #24 - Enjoy

28 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your questions, comments and thoughts. Lots, even myriad things to think about. Thats an inside joke and you have to go inside to hear it. Hosted by ...

Perdita Felicien Unplugged - Want to "#Do Something" Then Listen To This

27 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

One of the country's most famous athletes with her take on the issues that have made most sports shut down. A special "bridge daily". Hosted by Simple...

The Race Next Door #3 - Is Trump The TV Star He Thinks He is?

26 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The podcast within a podcast tackles the question of whether Trump is a great communicator, and on the issue of polls, which are the ones you should p...

O'Toole For The Win - Day Two

25 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A rare two day run on the bridge daily for the same Canadian politician! But it's worth the time, and besides there's also some interesting virus st...

O'Toole For The Win

24 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Well that was a surprise. What happens now? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and us...

The Weekend Special #23 - Enjoy!

21 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

What was your favourite thing about today? You might be surprised. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information ab...

Bad Journalism vs Fake News -- There Is A Difference.

20 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Getting something wrong isn't the same as spreading deliberate inaccuracies. One is bad the other is fake. But neither should be forgiven. That and a...

The Race Next Door #2

19 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson joins the "podcast within a podcast" again for this week's look at the unfolding US election. Plus more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsW...

You Don't Look Like Mark Carney!

18 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

For the first time, Canada has a female finance minister. Chrystia Freeland is now and even bigger rock star than she already was. That and a lot mo...

Canadians And Fighting Covid-19 -- How Committed Are We?

17 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

A new poll gives some serious insight into hoe committed we are in the fight against Covid-19. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswi...

The Weekend Special #22 - Enjoy!

14 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Lots of your ideas on The Race Next Door. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use o...

The Bridge Daily... From The Lake

13 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

On the road today and tomorrow. It may sound a little different but there's lots in it anyway. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswi...

So, Who Is The Real Nasty?

12 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The fallout from the Kamala Harris pick; some signs of hope on the Covid-19 front, and new questions about defunding the police. A virtual potpourri ...

The Race Next Door -- Our First Kick At The Can

11 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson joins the podcast for what we hope will be a weekly look at the "race next door", starting on this the day Kamala Harris officially bec...

Has Anything Really Changed? A Remarkable Story From The 1918 Pandemic

10 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Plus -- Did you listen to the July 23rd "bridge daily"? Told you so! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information abo...

The Weekend Special #21 -- Enjoy

07 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your thoughts, questions and comments. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of p...

Why Kamala Harris Has A Pretty Interesting Canadian Connection.

06 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Susan Rice is married to a Canadian. We talked about that last night. Well Kamala Harris has Canada in her CV too.The supposed short listers for Joe B...

Do You Trust The Media? A Major New US Study Raises Important Questions For All Of Us.

05 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

If it's down to Harris or Rice -- whose your pick for Joe Biden's running mate?Plus a big new study on the media. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz com...

A New Way To Get A Window On The World -- That And A Lot More

04 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Week 21 starts after a holiday weekend with a potpourri of goodies. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information abo...

The Weekend Special #20 -- Plus Something Extra

31 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your thoughts, comments and questions -- plus a something special for the long weekend. Enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.ads...

Trudeau Faces A Grilling -- A "bridge daily" Special On The WE Controversy

30 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Bruce Anderson is back to help guide us through today's extraordinary parliamentary committee hearing where Justin Trudeau was the star witness. Hoste...

When You're Winning A Fight, Don't Let Your Opponent Off The Mat

29 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Maybe I'm being overly cautious but it's not over yet folks. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our c...

Everything You Need To Know (or at least should consider) about MASKS!

28 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The promised special on masks is here. How effective are they, which is best and how do you maintain them? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company...

Is Europe On The Edge - Again?

27 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

There are spikes and there are spikes. The U.S. has had major COVID spikes, Canada not so much (and let's keep it that way!) But some key countries ...

The Weekend Special #19 --- Lots Of Good "Stuff"!

24 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Your thoughts, comments and questions for the nineteenth weekend since all this craziness started. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.a...

Rumours Of The Day

23 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

The beauty of a podcast is it's not a newscast. So I can share some of the buzz I'm hearing even though its just buzz, not fact. And as Thursday is p...

You Voted -- On Open Bars and In House Dining

22 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Some interesting thoughts from many of you about the recent spike in COVID numbers and what if anything should be done about it. Plus, imagining the ...