The Briefing with Jen Psaki
Psaki: The Trump administration fails the 3 a.m. phone call test
Wed, 7 May 2025
Jen Psaki looks at how concerns about inexperienced and unqualified members of Donald Trump's cabinet are coming to fruition as crises develop in national air traffic as well as national security and Trump's secretary of transportation, Sean Duffy, and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, are struggling to meet the demands of their positions.
Chapter 1: Who is discussing the recent air traffic incidents?
Okay, when we asked Pete Buttigieg, who Chris just mentioned is going to be our first guest, he's coming up shortly, but when we asked him to come on our first show just a couple weeks ago, I kind of thought we'd mainly talk about politics, and we definitely will. We will talk a lot about politics. He's got a lot to say about it.
What I didn't realize at the time is he would also kind of be the perfect person to talk to at this moment for a very different reason. I mean, just hours ago, we learned that last night, just after midnight at San Francisco International Airport, two United Airlines planes clipped each other's wings. They were still in the tarmac when it happened. Thankfully, nobody, of course, was hurt.
But it, of course, isn't an isolated incident. I mean, it comes on the heels of yesterday's news that a radar failure left the air traffic controllers managing Newark Airport operating blind. without radar or radio communication for 90 seconds last week, 90 seconds.
And by the way, NBC also reported late today that air traffic control at Newark lost contact with pilots at least two other times since August, not an isolated incident either. But that latest incident that I just mentioned that occurred last week was so bad that it led to multiple FAA employees being placed on trauma leave. Of course, why wouldn't it? It's incredibly traumatic.
Chapter 2: What is the significance of the '3 a.m. phone call' ad?
But given how out of control this all feels and how scared not just the air traffic controllers, but many people out there are to fly right now, I keep thinking about an ad that ran during the 2008 primary campaign, which you also may remember.
It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. But there's a phone in the White House and it's ringing. Something's happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call. Whether it's someone who already knows the world's leaders, knows the military, someone tested and ready to lead in a dangerous world. It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep.
Who do you want answering the phone?
Now, obviously, that ad at the time, 15 years ago, was meant to paint a relative political newcomer, Barack Obama, as someone who was totally unprepared to deal with the middle of the night calls when a crisis hits. And to be fair, it is a fundamental question that everybody should consider about any president and the people they surround themselves with.
And I keep thinking about that ad because right now, the guy sitting in the Oval Office picked this guy to answer the middle of the night calls about what is happening in our skies.
This is the true story of five ex-real-worlders picked for the ride of their lives.
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Chapter 3: Why is Sean Duffy's appointment as Transportation Secretary controversial?
Sean from the real world Boston, who you just saw there, is, of course, Trump Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. Now, part of the reason I am bringing up that he was on MTV's Road Rules All Stars, a good season, if I may say, back in the 1990s, is because it's kind of funny. But the other reason is that this was the most relevant part of Mr. Duffy's resume to lead the Transportation Department.
And I am not kidding here. I'm not being tongue in cheek or exaggerating. I mean, a local reporter in the Wisconsin Examiner who has covered Duffy's career since 2009 put it this way. He said, quote, I only have one account in all those years when he even mentioned a transportation issue. The reporter goes on. I love the emphasis. That's it. One mention of a transportation issue.
So, yeah, I mean, Sean from the real world Boston is the guy in charge of our nation's skies at the moment. He is the one who would answer the 3 a.m. phone call. And while he was not picked by Trump for his work on the real world that we know of, never say never, we don't entirely know for sure, he was picked in part, in large part, because of his work on Fox News.
And because of his willingness to go on national TV and basically politicize any issue. A willingness that seems to continue to this day. I mean, case in point, the aforementioned Newark airport crisis.
How close were we for a potential disaster there?
We have backups in place. Let's talk about what happened. So we have really old infrastructure in America. It hasn't been updated in the last 30, 40 years. This should have been dealt with in the last administration. They did nothing.
So again, they've been in office for more than 100 days. A conservative host, who's sympathetic, asked the current transportation secretary about a current crisis happening right now at one of the biggest airports in the country, an international airport, by the way, too. And his response was to blame the Biden administration, which hasn't been in office for more than three months.
And that comes as today, the Washington Post reported that Sean Duffy's Federal Aviation Administration also suspended the work of the independent panel of experts in charge of reviewing what is actually going wrong with air traffic control. I mean, we'd love to know the answer to that, right?
The Post reports that expert panel's work has been put on hold completely since February, as in a couple of months ago. Betting. I'm kind of betting. The last transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, may have some thoughts on that. I'm going to talk with him about it in a moment. But the most important thing here is this. This is still a crisis.
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Chapter 4: What are the challenges facing the FAA under the current administration?
Sean from the real world, the transportation secretary, doesn't seem to know either.
Who do these generals think they are that they have to take helicopters to go to meetings? Who was it? I don't know who it was. We should find out. And will the DOD... What do we ask?
I mean, you're the Transportation Secretary.
How do you not know? The FAA doesn't know. We asked the DOD. The DOD has promised radical transparency. They should tell us who is qualified to take a helicopter out of the Pentagon. I don't know. But they have to tell us. Well, could you just call up HEGSA? Well, I should, actually.
Let's call them right now. You call Pete. Okay, I got it. I love that he's kind of an observer of the crisis that his actual agency oversees. And why don't you call Pete? That would make a lot of sense. I hear he's very reachable on Signal. If you're trying to reach him right now, good way to get him.
Now, to be fair, Pete Hegseth, you know, the other Fox host who turned into a cabinet secretary, seems to be a theme here, has his own growing list of problems right now that might be tying him up a little bit, maybe making it harder for him to take a call. Who knows?
The latest being this report from Reuters that a few months ago had Seth apparently shut off military aid to Ukraine all on his own without telling anybody. And here's what the story says. Roughly a week after Donald Trump started his second term as president, the U.S. military issued an order. Stop 11 flights loaded with artillery shells and other weaponry bound for Ukraine.
In a matter of hours, frantic questions, of course, reached Washington from Ukrainians in Kyiv. Top national security officials in the White House, the Pentagon, and the State Department couldn't provide answers. Now, records reviewed by Reuters indicate that, quote, there was a verbal order from the Secretary of Defense that stopped the flights. That's how it happened.
The president, though, was unaware of Hegseth's order, as were other top national security officials. And three sources told Reuters that the cancellations happened in this chain of events. Hegseth met in the Oval Office with Trump and, quote, misinterpreted discussions with the president about Ukraine policy and aid shipments. That is quite a misinterpretation, I will say.
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Chapter 5: How is the military being affected by recent decisions?
I guess, though, we shouldn't be surprised that Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy was back on Fox News today, I guess it went so well yesterday, complaining that he still can't get any answers from the Pentagon about that Army helicopter causing those aborted landings at Reagan Airport last week. I don't know why the Pentagon hasn't gotten back to you on this yet, but we hope they sure do soon.
So do I. So do we. I mean, what's happening here? He works in the same administration. Fortunately, tonight we have with us the former Secretary of Transportation. We can ask him about this and everything else that has gone down since he left office a few months ago. Pete Buttigieg is standing by and he joins me live in just 90 seconds.
As promised, joining me now is former Secretary of Transportation, former Mayor Pete Buttigieg. It's great to see you. Good to be with you. Bearded and all. There's so much I want to talk to you about. We're going to get to politics. So much to talk about there.
But as I noted at the top of the show, you're kind of the perfect person to talk to about a lot of what's happening right now that a lot of Americans are concerned about. And just so people know, you don't get a secret memo when you're out of government as to the internal workings of airports. But you were the transportation secretary for four years.
As you're looking at what happened at the Newark airport, at the cutoff of contact for air traffic controllers, what do you make of what's going on there?
Well, it's obviously a real concern, a major concern. Look, when you become Secretary of Transportation, you know that your most important priority is safety. I understood that. My predecessors understood that. And my successor says that he understands that. I hope and expect that he does, too. And everything else takes a backseat to that.
But this is something that obviously raises safety as well as operational concerns. It also rings true with the experience that I had with some real challenges at the FAA in terms of the workforce, a shortage of air traffic controllers, and in terms of the technology. We did everything we could to make progress on those fronts. There's clearly a long way to go.
And so much depends on there being focused, capable, excellent leadership. at the Department of Transportation and across the government to make sure that that keeps pace because obviously we're seeing more and more cracks and seams in the system right now.
You're also the perfect person to ask about. I mentioned some of this, but in February, apparently, the administration halted an outside panel of experts responsible for reviewing the FAA's air traffic control management. We learned today that there was the firing of the vice chair of the NTSB, of course, responsible for investigating. What should people understand about the impact of all of that?
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Chapter 6: What are Pete Buttigieg's views on current transportation issues?
What you want to know is that they're being done for a good reason. Anytime there's restructuring and change, and look, Every secretary should consider restructuring and changing whatever is presented to them because you need to keep up with the times.
But time and time again, when they've changed an agency, blown up an agency, or fired people, it seems to be either highly political or totally random, right? We saw this with a lot of the early Doge firings where they didn't even pretend that they were going through and checking who was good at their job and who was bad at their job. They just fired a bunch of people because they could.
And that happened everywhere from the FAA to the people who were in charge of securing our nuclear weapons. Then they scrambled to hire them back. So I think the American public has a pretty low level of confidence right now that this is being done in a rational way. There's nothing in principle wrong with shaking up an org chart, right?
That's part of what you do when you take over any organization. But what we need and deserve is some level of confidence that, frankly, that they know what they're doing.
You know what it's like to come into an agency where you have to learn a lot, where you have to respect all of the expertise, where you have to value classified information. I mean, this isn't the first controversy, scandal, self-inflicted one that Pete Hegseth has been a part of.
What have been going through your head as you've watched him operate over the last couple of months and you're seeing him leading one of the most important agencies in the federal government?
Yep. This is one of the most important jobs of anybody in the human species, leading the U.S. Department of Defense, the largest organization and the most important organization, really, in the United States of America. And you need to know what you're doing.
And when we see things like randomly sending incredibly sensitive information to the wrong people or any of the other things that are going on, it raises concerns and it raises more concerns because it's part of the pattern. So you've got the Secretary of Defense playing fast and loose with classified information.
You've got the Secretary of Education saying that we need to make sure kids are trained in something she calls A1, which means she doesn't understand that it's AI, which means she doesn't understand artificial intelligence. It's not A1 steak sauce, everyone. Right. I love A1 steak sauce. But A1 steak sauce is not one of the most important things confronting humanity right now.
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Chapter 7: How does Pete Buttigieg react to the criticisms of the current administration?
And what that means is there's something else that, it doesn't mean they necessarily loved him, but they need to see something more. This is not a question of accommodating things that we don't agree with or watering down or changing our values. It is a question of making very clear to everybody how your everyday life is different if we're in charge compared to if they're in charge.
What your life could be like if wages went up the way that we propose that they be raised. What we would do with the money if we successfully stopped the tax cuts for the wealthy that are at the core of Donald Trump's economic agenda. What we think could happen in a country where we had paid family leave and some of the unfinished business of fixing our health care system.
It's not just a matter of preserving the Affordable Care Act, as important as that is. It's going the next step to make sure everybody can get and afford health care. All of these things that need to happen, that needs to be as clear a picture as our response to the authoritarian tendencies of this administration. Because the truth is,
Proto-authoritarian governments don't just come out of nowhere. We would not be in this situation if the government, the economy, and the politics of our country were healthy. They've been unhealthy for a long time. I think everybody knows that.
And if we seem like, if my party seems like it's calling for a return to the status quo from before, that will be both substantively wrong and politically it will fail.
The other part of that there's been some, again, healthy debate about is, you know, is it a policy question? Is it a messaging question? Is it a where you appear question? You've talked about all three of these. Let me just start with the policy question.
Do you think the policies of the Democratic Party, the party you've been a part of, need to be more ambitious and bigger than what we've seen over the last couple of years?
In some ways, yes. Look, the fact that income inequality has grown under Republican and Democratic administrations tells us there's more that needs to be done there. And the fact that it is so hard to build and do things in this country, and I lived this when I was at the Department of Transportation. We got 20,000 infrastructure projects done.
But we could have done more if it were easier to complete the things that we start in this country, and we could have done it more efficiently with our dollar. There's a lot of work that needs to be done there, too.
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Chapter 8: What are the future prospects for the Democratic Party according to Pete Buttigieg?
I just want to focus right now on the Department of Veterans Affairs. This serves people who have been serving our country. Take a look at these photos obtained by The New York Times. Since Trump overturned remote work arrangements for federal employees, these are some of the cramped office spaces that VA mental health physicians have had to use while providing teletherapy to veterans.
It has, of course, led to a dramatic lack of privacy for veterans seeking mental health care, which clinicians have said is limiting the effectiveness of the treatment. Of course it is. Those conditions are also pushing some providers to quit or to retire early.
And that's all happening at a moment when the VA is already facing severe shortages of psychologists and psychiatrists who are serving veterans around the country. This isn't even mentioning the effect of Trump's cuts to the VA. According to internal VA emails obtained by ProPublica, the cuts are jeopardizing veterans' care, including to life-saving cancer trials.
And that damage to life-saving care is coming before the Trump administration goes through with its plan to eliminate at least 70,000 of the 500,000 employees who work at the agency, most of whom work in VA hospitals or VA clinics. So you want to be patriotic? I mean, we should be all for that.
How about less focus on maps and flagpoles and parades and more on providing quality care for the people who actually serve the country? Because despite what Trump and MAGA world, I guess, thinks, patriotism isn't about simple displays, which means that Democrats also have an opportunity to push for a deeper definition of patriotism.
Well, during his commencement address at Lincoln University on Sunday, Maryland Governor Westmore presented his own version.
Our country is just deeply divided right now into these two camps, but it's not left versus right. It's not red versus blue. It's a divide between those who will use patriotism as a club to beat others and a divide of those who feel ashamed to bear the flag. Between those who think that loving America means hating half of the people in it
and those who allow the cynicism of our nation's history to obscure our aspirations.
Maryland Governor Wes Morris standing by and he joins me next. Over the past few months, we have seen a tremendous surge of activism. Rachel Maddow has been covering it so closely, as have some others. I mean, everyday Americans taking to the streets, week after week after week, in some surprising places, to protest against the actions of the Trump administration.
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