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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hi, Alex Tai here. Welcome to this Sunday bonus edition of The Briefing. One of the world's greatest living mathematicians is an Australian. His name is Terence Tao. At age 21, he completed his PhD. By 24, he was a full-blown professor. And a few years after that, he won the Fields Medal, known as the Nobel Prize of Mathematics. Tao is famous for the breadth of his contributions to mathematics.
And on Monday, the King's birthday holiday, he was recognised for those contributions with Australia's highest civilian honour, the Companion of the Order of Australia. Professor Tau is also just a delightful, thoughtful man.
Chapter 2: Who is Terence Tao and why is he significant in mathematics?
Here's Tash Belling's conversation with Terence Tau, AC, from earlier this week.
Terence, thanks so much for joining us. Firstly, congratulations. What an extraordinary honour. How do you feel?
I'm still a bit stunned. I was not expecting this at all. I got an email from the Office of the Governor General like a couple of weeks ago and I had no idea what it was about. But yeah, I followed the links and I had apparently been nominated for this order. And so, yeah, I agreed to be considered.
And then I got a follow up some weeks later saying that I had actually been a recipient of the Companion Order of Australia. So, you know, I looked it up, you know, I'm on the same list as like Don Brunson. Radman and everyone who I knew as a kid, which I don't know what to think about that.
What an incredible honour. And did you ever think growing up in Australia in your early years that you would ever receive such an extraordinary accolade? Obviously, very well deserved.
Yeah, well, I mean, I chose to be a mathematician. I like maths. And it's not something which is sort of highly celebrated in Australia. You know, you look at the sporting icons and business leaders and politicians and things. But, you know, I didn't go into maths because I was hoping to get awards and fame. That's not really... That much of a good strategy in math, to be honest.
I liked sort of the challenge of solving problems and sharing what I learned of other people. But it is really, really nice to be on like this for my home country. I mean, I wouldn't be where I am today without all the support I got as a kid in Australia.
So Terence, let's talk about growing up in Australia. I understand, if this is correct, that you watching Sesame Street helped you become this extraordinary mathematician. Is that correct?
Well, my parents tell me that when I was two, we went to a friend's place for a party and they caught me teaching like some five-year-olds how to count using these number blocks. And they asked me how I could do this. And I just said, I learned it from Sesame Street. I don't remember this myself. But my early memories do involve numbers and things. I remember maybe I was a bit older.
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Chapter 3: How did Terence Tao feel about receiving the Companion of the Order of Australia?
What do you love about maths and finding that right answer?
Yeah, it's just very satisfying, you know, to solve the puzzle. And, you know, maybe like, you know, if you do crosswords, there's a clue that bothers you that, you know, you should know the answer to, but you don't. But when you finally see how it works, like it all clicks, oh, of course, that was the right answer all along.
So I also liked puzzles and board games and computer games and any sort of mental challenge like that. It was a lot later after uni, really, that I also found out that math is also useful. It isn't just a collection of puzzles, but everything in the modern world works because of math. It was actually a lot of fun to, once you have this math training, the world becomes a less scary place.
You wonder why cell phones work or why the internet works or why we can predict the weather and you can look it up and it's all math under the hood.
That's a great point, Terrence, because we know in Australia right now, we seem to be declining in maths in particular. Literacy and numeracy levels are struggling as well overall, especially for primary school aged children. Do you think we value maths? Because you just made a great point there. Maths can solve all of the world's problems.
Yeah, so there seems to be this disconnect. On the one hand, we are using more and more advanced technology, and we're needing all kinds of sophisticated science, which we just take for granted. We're talking right now at different continents, and it's no big deal. But there's all kinds of science that goes into it. But at the same time, we are losing touch.
Most of us have never had to sort of, you know, wire their own electronics or solve their own little math problems to get things to work. In some sense, the technology has become too good. You know, you just log in and you press some buttons and things work. And so, yeah, it's sort of a weird paradox that sort of the more we use technology, the less we understand it.
Maybe actually we have made things too easy. When I was a kid, computers didn't quite work properly. You always had to install various drivers and consult manuals and things. My kids don't have that struggle. They use technology much more adeptly, but maybe they don't understand it as hands-on away as previous generations did.
So Terence, how do we make maths more fun and more engaging for children? And second question, do you teach your kids maths or did you teach them maths?
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Chapter 4: What childhood experiences shaped Terence Tao's love for mathematics?
If you haven't already listened, yesterday's episode was a conversation with Dave Hand, the gentle giant who was one of the breakout stars of maths. And tomorrow, we'll be back with headlines and a deep dive. We'll catch you then.