Adam Kinzinger: Trump Has Never Seemed this Scared

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What are the recent challenges facing Donald Trump?

Tim Miller 0:00
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Adam Kinzinger 0:43
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We are back with a fave. He is a former member of Congress from Illinois. He served in the Air Force and on the January 6th Committee. He can do some bicep curls and he's the subject of a new documentary, The Last Republican, which is available on Apple TV, Prime Video and other platforms. Adam Kinzinger, what's up, man?
Unknown 1:02
Hey, I'm at the Bulwark studio today.

How is Adam Kinzinger's documentary related to his political journey?

Unknown 1:05
You're not here.
Adam Kinzinger 1:06
I know it sucks. I did get to see you in person. Give those arms a squeeze and see your wife. And it was, you know, it's a funeral. So I bet it was still good to see you. But I had to pop up to New York.
Unknown 1:17
you know what's funny is they uh they they did the old uh like put out some pictures you know from the funeral like the ap pictures and they did put out one of sophie and i but we're laughing in it and we're the only ones where people are laughing i'm like why what were you laughing about do you think i don't know probably george eight you know george made a couple jokes so probably future congressional candidate oh no george w you meant not george w yeah yeah or else uh sophie and i were laughing about something i don't know but i
Adam Kinzinger 1:44
I wanted a couple more jokes at the funeral. Can I give notes on the eulogies? Please do. The grandchildren's eulogies were really great. And W is like a character. So he was just an MW character. And Liz was obviously good.

What does the Epstein case reveal about Trump and his associates?

Adam Kinzinger 1:56
I wanted one of them to give me a joke about Dick Cheney accidentally shooting the guy, though. I know. I thought about that, too. I feel like you've got to just own it. I feel like you've got to just own it. And there was a prime spot. One of the grandchildren, and again, not to criticize a young person's eulogy for their grandfather, because she was great, and I was getting emotional. But she has a line where she's like, you know, whatever they called him, Grandpa Dick, sometimes would let us sit in the front row of the fishing boat, and he wouldn't get mad even if we accidentally hooked him with our rod. And I was like, this is a prime spot to say... because he has some experience with that.
Unknown 2:30
Tim, I honest to God at that exact moment, thought the same thing. I remember at one point in the, in the funeral being like, they should joke about him shooting somebody in the face. And it was exactly there. Cause it would have been perfect. Like he hooked some people, but that's all right.

How does the current economic situation impact Trump's political standing?

Unknown 2:42
He has no place to judge. You shot a guy in the face, right?
Adam Kinzinger 2:45
Well, if you're doing a eulogy, send your drafts to me and Adam. We'll just make sure you're not missing anything. We've got a bunch to discuss today. I guess we should start with Donald Trump saying that Democratic lawmakers should be, that they have done sedition, which is punishable by death. That was a bleat that Trump put out. This is in response to something we talked a little bit about with Susan Glasser on yesterday's pod. But in case you missed that, you're supposed to be listening every day, but just in case you missed that. There was a group of Democratic House and Senate veterans who put out a video that was basically saying, you know, to the men and women in uniform, if you get an illegal order, you shouldn't follow it.
Adam Kinzinger 3:24
You should follow your oath and the code of conduct. I played the clip yesterday of Stephen Miller saying this was insurrection. His boss went a little bit further saying this is sedition and punishable by death. I want to hear both your reaction to just the video that the Democratic veterans did as a fellow veteran and the message and then what you think about Trump.

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