Mark Hertling: The Cowards of ICE
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We are dialing in on military news, both in American streets and abroad on today's show. But there's a lot of other stuff going on, particularly on the legal front, including the dramatic resignations in Minnesota of prosecutors who are refusing DOJ pressure to investigate the widow of Renee Nicole Good, I guess, for... talking to ICE officers inappropriately. Just disgusting what we're seeing on the DOJ, but good on those prosecutors for resigning. Much more on that and all the other stuff in the legal news over on our new-ish podcast, Illegal News with Sarah Longwell. This is our relaunch of George Conway Explains It All, since George is running for Congress this
You heard George on this show last week. He was pretty hot. And we're going to keep the legal news going, though, or the illegal news in this case. Sarah is getting a rotating cast of sharp experts. She's got Andrew Weissman and others to break everything down. The new episode's out today with Asha Rangappa, who I got to know recently and I love.
What issues are raised about ICE agents wearing masks?
So go check out the illegal news over on YouTube, Substack, or your podcast app of choice on this show. He's back. He's a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general. He was commander during the 2007-2009 troop surge in Iraq. He's also commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe. He writes on military affairs for the Bulwark. It's Mark Hertling. How are you doing, sir?
Hey, I'm doing great, Tim. Good to be with you. And if I can just reinforce what you just said about Asha Rangappa, she's awesome. I've gotten to know her really well over the last couple of years and a brilliant legal mind. She's really great. She is.
And, you know, while we're glazing people... Just having you here is just amazing. I feel so lucky to have you with us at the Bulwark. For people a little behind the scenes, it's a little weird, I would say, to have the commanding general of U.S. Army Europe sitting through our Monday meeting where we're discussing whether to do a blog post on the Gropers or reading the Slack discussions about buccal fat removal. But you're in all of it. You're diving straight in, and we appreciate you.
I've been in staff meetings that have been much worse. So everything's going fine.
All right. We have so much to cover. I want to start with Morning Shots. Your section was called Masks, Courage and Accountability. And you wrote about your experience with the Iraqi police and masks and kind of some lessons from that and how it relates to what we're dealing with now with these masks. ICE and CBP agents roaming the streets.
How does Mark Hertling compare ICE agents to Iraqi security forces?
So I want to just kind of let you cook on that for folks who missed the newsletter.
Yeah, Tim, I tell you, you know, watching these guys, these ICE officials who we don't know how they're recruited. We don't know how they're trained. There's stories now popping up about some lapses and even vetting them. Another story about some of them being January 6th participants. But the thing that's just been bothering the hell out of me is the fact that these guys are wearing masks with no identification whatsoever. And they're thugs. They are thugs, and I'll add to that cowards. You give me any one of those guys without a weapon and without a badge and without an association to the federal forces, and they would be a nobody. But they're using that generated power to really— influence what's going on in the street in a negative way.
They're countering what our constitution says is right in terms of the freedom of speech and the right to legal protest. It's why we formed our nation and given it some of the values and ideology we have, they are just counter to everything we are. So, you know, after watching these for a couple of months, these guys doing these kinds of things, every time I saw them, it reminded me of the Iraqi security forces and the Iraqi police forces early on, because they would all wear masks and they would tell their commanders and the US forces, well, we're wearing it because people don't like us associating with the US military.
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Chapters
8 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:12–1:16
2
What issues are raised about ICE agents wearing masks?
1:16–2:40
3
How does Mark Hertling compare ICE agents to Iraqi security forces?
2:40–6:35
4
What does the discussion reveal about the political landscape regarding ICE?
6:35–10:20
5
What are the implications of airstrikes on Iran as discussed in the episode?
10:20–13:57
6
How does the episode address the situation in Venezuela?
13:57–16:58
7
What is the current state of the conflict in Ukraine?
16:58–21:14
8
How does the episode discuss the potential for nuclear weapons in Sweden?
21:14–56:37
Speakers
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