Robert Kagan: A Total and Complete Shutdown of Trump
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What led to the perception of Trump's surrender in the Iran conflict?
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show, contributing writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at Brookings. His most recent book is Rebellion, How Anti-Liberalism is Tearing America Apart Again. It's Bob Kagan. How you doing, Bob? I'm great. Thank you. Yeah. Well, how does it feel to just be on your, you know, one man victory tour while America is on a one country surrender tour? You know, it creates some internal tension.
No. Yeah. I mean, I'm not thrilled that we're losing. We've lost this war. So maybe something for the therapist. No, I know it's a problem. I mean, I do. I do want the world and Americans to see what Donald Trump has done to us. And I think that is useful to point out. But I take no pleasure, obviously, in our suffering a major defeat in a major strategic region of the world.
I want to get deep with you on Iran and some related issues. Real quick, we were live last night on The Next Level during the Texas Senate results where John Cornyn just gets absolutely annihilated and humiliated in his primary with Ken Paxton. So if you want the long sermon on that, go check out TNL. I have a couple additional thoughts. I mean, John Cornyn would, in a different world, be a Bob Kagan senator. No thoughts on his demise or how that relates to our broader agenda? issues?
I have no strong feelings about John Cornyn one way or the other. I feel like he's been a block of wood in the Senate for decades. I'm sure he may have voted at times in ways that I would agree with, but I'm unaware of it. I really have no strong feelings about John Cornyn, and I think it's wonderful we're going to get a chance to get pure MAGA on the ballot. I mean, you know.
Have it tested. And I think this is interesting.
How has the U.S. withdrawal impacted Israel's position in the Middle East?
It's kind of what I wanted to bring up. So we were doing this live last night. A lot of conversation about Tallarico, and I think we assessed... You know, he's the underdog still with Paxton. It's a better option. But worth noting, Beto only lost by basically two and a half to three points. Never led a poll in 2018. That was a really bad political environment for the Republicans. But there's a chance this one ends up being worse. A big issue is Hispanics. One thing that jumped out at me last night, there's this kind of star county, which is near McAllen. There were 6,000 Democratic votes in the primary, only 100 Republican votes. This was a Trump flip county. Just a really bad sign for Republicans right now among Hispanic voters in this key group that they gained.
And Paxton, I liked this from Tallarico. They posted this, an image of his mugshot. Have you ever had a mugshot, Paxton? So far, no. Sorry. Okay. I've never seen mine. I'm hoping it just disappeared. I did get one from a minor in possession of alcohol in Boulder, Colorado once, but I've never seen it. Hopefully, I looked better than Ken Paxton did in his because he looks rough. One eye is closed. Tallarico puts it up. Was indicted on three felony counts for investment fraud. Reported to the FBI by his own staff for bribery. Different case. Was impeached by 60 Republicans in the House for corruption.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What led to the perception of Trump's surrender in the Iran conflict?
0:00–2:58
2
How has the U.S. withdrawal impacted Israel's position in the Middle East?
2:58–5:14
3
What are the implications of Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz?
5:14–9:26
4
How is Trump's negotiation style affecting U.S. foreign policy?
9:26–13:32
5
What role do the Gulf states play in the current geopolitical landscape?
13:32–16:42
6
How has the American-led world order been challenged recently?
16:42–20:36
7
What are the potential consequences of a shift in U.S. policy towards Israel?
20:36–23:53
8
What future challenges might arise from Trump's focus on Cuba and Venezuela?
23:53–56:00
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