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S2 Ep1040: Bill Kristol: A Golden 747 from Hamas's Sugar Daddy

12 May 2025

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Trump can't abide flying around in crusty, old Air Force One. Qatar—funder of both Hamas and the leading U.S. college Gaza protest group—just happens to have a spare, pimped-out 747 lying around, which they'd like to gift to Trump so he can use that instead. Pay no attention to the complete hypocrisy of an administration that says that students protesting for Gaza are a threat to our foreign policy. Plus, Trump's fake drug price cap, the White House caves to China on tariffs, Herr Miller becomes the leading voice for disappearing people, and Bill tells Tim he's rethinking his position on "Abolish ICE."  Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes Sen. Barrasso dodging NBC's questions on habeas corpus  Tim's FYPod Go to https://surfshark.com/thebulwark or use code THEBULWARK at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN!

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13.968 - 34.066 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. A quick shout out, we do have that Nashville event coming up May 29th. Got some tickets available for that. Chicago sold out. I decided to make a little family weekend out of it. So that might be something for you to consider as well. Come hang out with us in Nashville. Go to thebulwark.com slash events today.

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36.745 - 56.992 Tim Miller

We've got a lot to discuss. The liberation of the American economy is on a 90-day pause. We're borrowing a new Hamas Force One from Qatar. Socialist price controls are good now. American hostage is free. Russian propaganda about a Keir Starmer cocaine vendor. A tenuous India-Pakistan ceasefire. The zone has been flooded with shit, and we're here to wade through it.

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57.412 - 60.373 Tim Miller

It's Monday with Bulwark Editor-at-Large Bill Kristol. What's up, Bill?

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61.133 - 70.926 Bill Kristol

How are you, Tim? Busy weekend, you know? Busy morning today even, right? Terrorists, Air Force One, drug prices magically going down. It's really something here in Trump's America.

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71.716 - 82.559 Tim Miller

I know. It's brutal, you know. Today was the first day where I was like, in a while, I was like, oh, okay, I guess we got to wake up and care about this shit. But here we go.

82.579 - 99.924 Bill Kristol

And I want to say to you over the weekend, I feel like we're overwhelmed. Of course, they have the whole federal government like doing stuff for them, you know, and we have like the board. The fine team that we are, that will work as staff. And Congress has its small staffs trying to fight back. It is a big advantage being president of the United States.

99.964 - 120.288 Bill Kristol

And for all their clownishness and incompetence, you know, having some people who know what they're doing and loyalists who are willing to do everything Trump wants and foreign leaders who want in some ways to – Work with Trump or, you know, use Trump, let's put it that way, you know, and give him some token victories occasionally or not rub his face in it. It is a big advantage being president.

120.368 - 131.154 Bill Kristol

If you think of your four years in office as, you know, just defeating your enemies and rewarding your friends, not doing something good for the country, it does feel like they're constantly coming at us with a lot of forces. Yeah.

131.837 - 148.987 Tim Miller

Yeah, plenty of opportunity for that. And one other thing, I mean, this is a little bit, you know, kind of an obvious at this point observation, but it just feels particularly acute today. It's just like the reality show element of it. It's preternatural. I don't even know if it's actually strategic. I just think that he is a reality show figure.

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