Sam Stein and Adrian Carrasquillo: We Are in a Simulation
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Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. Today we have a two-part episode that wades into the splash radius from Monday's Executive Order Bukanki covering DEI, NIH, hiring freezes, and immigration. And first up, the right man for that job, it's Managing Editor at the Bulwark. You may have seen our two-man comedy routine on YouTube. And we're bringing it to the audio podcast. It's my newish work husband, Sam Stein. How you doing, Sam?
Oh, man. Wow. I didn't realize we had hit that point in our relationship.
We hit it yesterday when we were bickering. It was not a compliment to call you my husband. It means that there's a love and bicker relationship that we are building.
I feel touched. Good.
Not touched like Mike Johnson.
Not physically touched, emotionally touched. Yeah.
Well, we have a lot of pressure today because I'm here at 30 Rock in the Hotel California that I can never leave since I can't go home to snowy New Orleans until they figure out how to de-ice the runway. We have Bryant Gumbel and Jane Pauly sitting over my shoulder here. And so they will be keeping an eye out for us.
That's like us. They're like us.
Yeah. Are you Bryant or Jane? I guess I've got to be Jane. Bryant.
Yeah, clearly.
You got the pearls. I love Jane, though. She's kind of an icon. All right. Of course. Let's get to business. We're going to start, unfortunately, with Donald Trump. I gave all of you listeners a 72-hour respite from his voice, but the respite is over. Here he is last night with Sean Hannity on what he thought about the January 6th pardons.
Some of those people with the police, true, but they were very minor incidents, okay? You know, they get built up by that couple of fake guys that are on CNN all the time. Nobody watches it. They were very minor incidents.
I mean, my favorite part of that was Sean Hannity got mad that he was watching CNN.
Yeah, CNN. Nobody watches that.
Very minor injuries. You know, it's like too trite at this point to do the, like, imagine if Barack Obama talked about the very minor injuries that cops suffered at the hands of a, you know, I don't know, violent mob of Black Panthers or something.
The new Black Panther Party? That's an old one, yeah. Yeah.
Will there be any punishment for that? This is just whatever at this point.
To me, we're at this point where it's like, I'm not surprised he said this stuff. I even think he probably believes some of it. He's convinced himself of it. Of course, these are not minor injuries. Officers committed suicide after what happened. It was an incredible trauma. Physical and emotional. We talked to one who was talking about seven straight hours of just being bombarded, worse than anything he had dealt with when he was serving overseas. And it's like, to trivialize that, of course, is outrageous. But then at the same time, it's just, that's Trump, right? Like, it's all self-serving. It's all designed to rewrite history. They say to the victor go the spoils, and you get to write the history, and I think that's what he's doing here. And Hannity's kind of funny. I think Hannity's more interesting here, but not because he was mocking CNN's audience.
But there's another part where they were talking about – I think Trump was like, you know, they were just there to protest the vote, and they have the right to protest the vote. And Hannity kind of sheepishly realizes that this is ridiculous to say something like that. He's like, well, you know, they don't really have the right to like – storm the Capitol. Right. It's like, and it's just gotta be like, whoa, I think he took it too far.
So, I mean, our man, Sergeant canal sent you, right. He texted you. Yeah.
Sergeant canal sent me pictures and, um, you look at his feet in his hands and they're, They're battered. They're inflamed. They're bruised. They're stitched up. He's had pictures where the red arrow is pointing at him. Imagine going through that for seven straight hours where you just have wave after wave of people coming at you with projectiles and flagpoles and –
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic of this episode?
0:08–20:03
2
How does the executive order affect DEI initiatives?
20:03–34:53
3
What are the implications of Trump's comments on January 6th?
34:53
4
How does the NIH's communication freeze impact research?
30:04
5
What are the consequences of Trump's approach to immigration?
0:08–34:53
6
What does the future hold for scientific research in the U.S.?
34:53–59:33
Speakers
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