Open source threaded team chat?! (Interview)
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What's up, friends? This is The Change Log. We feature the hackers, the leaders, and those taking on Goliath. a.k.a. Slack and Teams. Yes, we're joined by Ali Abbott, one of the fine folks behind Zolip.com, the open source, organized team chat for distributed teams of all sizes. And we're going through all the things, open source, its origins, what makes it different, why it might be better, how you can self-host it, how you can use their cloud, how you can contribute, how you can be part of their community, all the things in this show. A massive thank you to our friends and our partners over at Fly.io. That is the home of changelog.com. Over 3 million apps have launched on Fly. We're one of them, and we love Fly, and you will love Fly too. Check them out at Fly.io. Okay, let's do it. Hey friends, I'm here with Dave Rosenthal, CTO of Sentry. So Dave, I know lots of developers know about Sentry, know about the platform, because hey, we use Sentry and we love Sentry. And I know tracing is one of the next big frontiers for Sentry.
Why add tracing to the platform? Why tracing and why now?
When we first launched the ability to collect tracing data, we were really emphasizing the performance aspect of that, the kind of application performance monitoring aspect, you know, because you have these things that are spans that measure how long something takes. And so the natural thing is to try to graph their durations and think about their durations and, you know, warn somebody if the durations are getting too long. But what we've realized is that the performance stuff ends up being just a bunch of gauges to look at. And it's not super actionable, right? Sentry is all about this notion of debug ability and actually making it easier to fix the problem, not just sort of giving you more gauges. A lot of what we're trying to do now is focus a little bit less on the sort of just the performance monitoring side of things and turn tracing into a tool that actually aids the debug ability of problems.
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So we are joined today by Alia Abbott from Zulip. Welcome to the changelog.
Great to be here. Yeah.
Great to have you. Great to have an open source chat application out there and one with a storied history. Y'all have been around a long time. in and out of Dropbox even. I would love to hear a little bit about that story. Dropbox acquired and then open source out of that. Can you give us a little bit of the history? Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zilp has kind of an interesting history. So it was started back in 2012. So before things like Slack were out there. Yeah. That time it was not open source. It was just kind of your regular closed source startup out in Boston. And when it was still in private beta, the company was acquired at Dropbox. At the time, Dropbox was exploring kind of different strategies with chat as kind of providing a suite of Office products alongside with the file storage. And then they went in a different direction and actually open sourced the entire Zulip code base along with the full history of the project. So all that commit history, there was a hack week project to clean that up and make that something that can be publicly shared. And they very generously, I guess, once it was open sourced, Tim Abbott, who was one of the original co-founders and was working at Dropbox at the time, started running that open source project in his kind of nights and weekends in his spare time.
And Dropbox also very generously gave that trademark for Zulop to Tim as well. So at this point, there's no relationship between Zulop and Dropbox.
There's no relationship at all.
Yeah, yeah. But we're definitely very grateful that they decided that they would be happy to open source it, given that they were not using it themselves.
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