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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Open source threaded team chat?! (Interview)

Thu, 05 Sep 2024

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We're joined by Alya Abbott from Zulip, the open source, organized, threaded, team chat for distributed teams of all sizes. We talk about Zulip's origins, how it's open source, the way it's led, no VC funding, what makes it different/better, how you can self-host it or use their cloud, moving to Zulip, contributing and being a part of the community...all the things.

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23.479 - 43.991 Adam

What's up, friends? This is The Change Log. We feature the hackers, the leaders, and those taking on Goliath. a.k.a. Slack and Teams. Yes, we're joined by Ali Abbott, one of the fine folks behind Zolip.com, the open source, organized team chat for distributed teams of all sizes.

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44.571 - 69.32 Adam

And we're going through all the things, open source, its origins, what makes it different, why it might be better, how you can self-host it, how you can use their cloud, how you can contribute, how you can be part of their community, all the things in this show. A massive thank you to our friends and our partners over at Fly.io. That is the home of changelog.com.

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69.72 - 104.492 Adam

Over 3 million apps have launched on Fly. We're one of them, and we love Fly, and you will love Fly too. Check them out at Fly.io. Okay, let's do it. Hey friends, I'm here with Dave Rosenthal, CTO of Sentry. So Dave, I know lots of developers know about Sentry, know about the platform, because hey, we use Sentry and we love Sentry. And I know tracing is one of the next big frontiers for Sentry.

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104.792 - 107.914 Adam

Why add tracing to the platform? Why tracing and why now?

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108.374 - 121.303 Jeremy

When we first launched the ability to collect tracing data, we were really emphasizing the performance aspect of that, the kind of application performance monitoring aspect, you know, because you have these things that are spans that measure how long something takes.

121.343 - 136.834 Jeremy

And so the natural thing is to try to graph their durations and think about their durations and, you know, warn somebody if the durations are getting too long. But what we've realized is that the performance stuff ends up being just a bunch of gauges to look at. And it's not super actionable, right?

136.994 - 153.024 Jeremy

Sentry is all about this notion of debug ability and actually making it easier to fix the problem, not just sort of giving you more gauges. A lot of what we're trying to do now is focus a little bit less on the sort of just the performance monitoring side of things and turn tracing into a tool that actually aids the debug ability of problems.

153.655 - 179.672 Adam

I love it. Okay, so they mean it when they say code breaks. Fix it faster with Sentry. More than 100,000 growing teams use Sentry to find problems fast, and you can too. Learn more at Sentry.io. That's S-E-N-T-R-Y.io. And use our code CHANGELOG. Get $100 off the team plan. That's almost four months free for you to try out Sentry. Once again, Sentry.io.

212.625 - 218.087 Jared

So we are joined today by Alia Abbott from Zulip. Welcome to the changelog.

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