An Honest Conversation About Looksmaxxing | Jonathan Haidt
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Why are adolescent boys experiencing a surge in body image issues and looksmaxxing?
What I'm seeing in my practice is boys coming in with all sorts of body image issues, body image concerns that used to be typical curiosities around puberty or this passing phase of insecurity during puberty, which passes. But now it seems like this transitional phase during puberty insecurity is now becoming a lifelong identity crisis, or at least feels like it. Why do you think that now transitions happen? Yeah.
So suppose you have boys trying to evaluate themselves. Where am I among the other 15 boys in my class? And there are lots of ways that I could be cool or not. There are lots of different sports that maybe I could be good on. And so I'm not automatically condemned to the basement here forever. And then you put them in a world in which there are all these signals and it's overwhelmingly based on your looks. Now, that was always that was long been true for girls. So it's horrible for girls. But now it's becoming the case for boys because you don't even get to show off your athletic prowess. It's how do you look? Do you look masculine, tough, dominant? You know, it's like you were happily enjoying childhood.
Now you're thrown into this seething cauldron of middle school and suddenly renegotiating this. And you're looking for guidance to where? To your parents? To the people in your community? No. To the streamers and social media people who are the most extreme, who have been able to garner the most likes. So it's sick. It's cruel.
Welcome back to the Checkup Podcast. Today's guest is the world-renowned social scientist, Jonathan Haidt. He's emerged as one of the more popular thought leaders on children's screen time and social media overuse. He's written best-selling books like The Anxious Generation and now The Amazing Generation, which is specifically targeted at nine to 12-year-olds, empowering them to have control over their devices instead of being controlled by them. I've spoken to Dr. Hype before about the struggles young people face today as they grow up in a world dominated by bottomless feeds and predatory algorithms. I've invited him back on the show today to talk about something more specific, the struggles I'm seeing in my practice from adolescent boys who are falling victim to look maxing, the manosphere, where this relentless wave of male influencers are preying on the body image issues of young boys, and it's truly leading to some major concerns.
Dr. Haidt, the world is a scary place.
And getting scarier, I suppose.
Yeah, yeah. But you seem very relaxed and happy.
Well... You know, each of our lives are not really made up by what's going on in the world. You know, our happiness and our engagement is really very local. And I'm just really blessed to live in a great place. I love living in New York. I'm working with a great team. We're working on this big problem of how to restore childhood. So if I seem relaxed, I'm not really relaxed, but I am pretty engaged these days.
It's interesting to hear you say the word local, because I am afraid that the word local no longer exists. In the age of which we live with social media, everyone looking at their phones, it seems every international problem is now a local problem. What does that do to not just the developing brain, but anyone's brains?
So I'm gonna play the role, I'm a social psychologist who also loves evolution and anthropology. I love looking at what is human nature? How does it vary? And our environments have changed gradually over thousands of years, but all of a sudden things are changing so quickly. that a lot of our evolved systems that evolved for life in the physical real world, they're wildly malfunctioning in this virtual world.
And so- Is there a specific example of when they malfunction or how they malfunction?
Oh, sure. Okay, so let's start right in with the biggest area of all, which is relationships. You know, originally, everyone said, you know, social media, oh, you know, you can connect to everybody. You can have thousands of friends. And when I started this campaign two years ago to roll back the phone-based childhood and raise the age for social media to 16, people were like, oh, but it's how they connect.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
Why are adolescent boys experiencing a surge in body image issues and looksmaxxing?
0:00–5:40
2
How has the rise of smartphones and social media changed childhood social development?
5:40–16:37
3
What scientific evidence links social media to declines in youth mental health?
16:37–1:02:56
4
Do LGBTQ youth truly need social media as a lifeline or has the platform environment changed the risks?
1:02:56–1:19:57
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