Was Nero Really That Bad?
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Why is Nero's reputation considered so negative?
Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, designed to help bring those four key Stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. There are very few people for whom the name Nero brings up positive associations. It's a name that at this point has almost entirely negative connotations, right? During the fire of Rome, Nero supposedly fiddled and watched it all happen, that this is what bad leaders do, this is what indifferent, cruel, uncaring people do. Even in the ancient world, there were rumors that Nero set the fire on purpose to clear out undesirables so he could build a bigger palace. Now, why does Nero have such a terrible reputation and is it deserved? I think we can all concede that a lot of what we know about Nero, and this is true for a lot of historical figures, including Seneca, who worked for Nero, a lot of what we know about him comes from people who didn't like him.
Enemies, critics, historians writing after he was dead who maybe had political agendas. So does Nero get a fair shake? Was he the villain that history has turned him into? Actually, this was a question that Smithsonian Magazine wrote about at length in 2020. The article, I remember reading it when it came out. It said, the new, nicer Nero. And basically, the article challenges this reputation of Nero as a self-indulgent tyrant who, again, fiddled while Rome burned. And they claim that most of this reputation was shaped by hostile ancient sources, Tacitus and Suetonius. And then, of course, the Christians who were opposed to Nero because of his cruel treatment of them. And then later that this reputation was continually reinforced in each subsequent generation and novels and plays and films like for 2000 years.
This guy, who certainly wasn't perfect, but perhaps wasn't as bad as people said, was turned into a caricature of a caricature of a caricature. And there are no shortage of modern scholars, namely John Drinkwater, who wrote a book called Nero, Emperor and Court, who claim that much of what we've been told about Nero is exaggerated or misleading. If you go out into the street and ask someone to name a Roman emperor, it's almost certain that they'll say Nero. And most people just won't know why. He's become such a character that he's just an epitome of evil. What has struck me in researching Nero is that people love evil. There's no doubt about it. And if you want a really bad character, nasty character, this is Nero.
The question is, really, do professional Roman historians believe this anymore? I mean, it's out there, but do professional historians really believe it? Can we say it's true? And the answer is no. Very little of it is in fact true. So this popular Nero is not the Nero we know. And it is because of the way that the science of ancient history developed that what this picture I'm giving you is the picture of a group of ancient sources. There are some Roman sources, Latin sources, Greek sources, but there are also Christian sources and Jewish sources.
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And these sources combine to give this hugely negative picture of Nero. Now, what modern historians have done whether people like it or not, is to look at this information and to look at it forensically, to pretend that these sources, the authors of these sources, are in court. And so you start probing Why are they saying this? And the answer is really that they are biased in many ways. The main Latin and Greek sources, their names are Tacitus Suetonius and Cassius Dio. They all come from a particular level of society. They're all aristocrats. The Roman aristocrats were against this system that Nero was head of anyway. And to some degree, they've all suffered from it. So they don't like anyone in Nero's position.
And it doesn't matter if it was just Nero, that they're against anyone who's in the top position. I think once this bad Nero is in circulation, you can't get rid of it. My wife and I often discuss what makes a classic. And the classic is something, a novel in particular, or a play or a film, that once it's there, can be distorted in any number of ways.
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