‘He Knew’: What Epstein Said About Trump in New Emails
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What new emails have been released regarding Epstein and Trump?
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Thousands of pages of newly released emails between Jeffrey Epstein and his friends and associates have put the financier's relationship with President Trump back into the spotlight. Today, my colleagues David Enrich and Michael Gold on what these new documents tell us and whether they could trigger the release of the rest of the Epstein files. It's Thursday, November 13th. So, David, you're back on the show to talk to us about the latest chapter in this ongoing saga about the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. And today, Wednesday, it seems like there was a very meaningful update to our understanding about that relationship. But can you just break it down for us? How significant were the revelations that came out today?
Extremely significant, I would say.
OK, walk us through what happened.
So we woke up this morning to the news that Democrats on the House Oversight Committee had released three emails from Jeffrey Epstein's email account in which he and others were talking about Donald Trump. And the emails appeared to show that Epstein – recognized that he had some important information about his relationship with Trump and Trump's relationship with women or girls. And just as we were all starting to kind of decipher the cryptic wording in those messages, the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee one-upped their Democratic counterparts and released additional Epstein-related emails, many of which are also about Donald Trump or at least mention Donald Trump. And so we've been spending...
What feels like an eternity today, going through these emails one by one, reading them, trying to make sense of them, and trying to understand their implications for Trump and his administration.
OK, let's go one by one and start with the beginning of the day, the first emails that you saw. Can you tell us what those emails were?
Sure. I can read them to you. I've got them in front of me if you want me to.
Yes, please.
OK, so there are three of them. The first is from April of 2011. And this is a time just contextually when Epstein had only recently been released from house arrest as part of his punishment for having solicited prostitution from a minor child. He's seeking to kind of repair his reputation, and he's thinking about trying to get his guilty plea overturned. And he writes to his longtime associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, I want you to realize that the dog that has not barked is Trump. And then there's a victim's name redacted. She spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Ghislaine Maxwell responds, I have been thinking about that.
Mm-hmm.
And Trump at this point is a reality TV star in 2011 who has these vague and kind of unrealistic presidential ambitions. But it's a little unclear why at that point Epstein thought that the information he had on Trump was relevant. And so we are all left wondering exactly what this means.
And just so I understand, the dog that hasn't barked is Trump means or implies that there's some kind of information that hasn't been made public. And so this email is interesting because it suggests that Epstein knows things about Trump. Do I have that right?
As best we can tell, yes, that is right. Epstein appears to believe that he has some information on Trump that has not yet become public and that could be useful to Epstein.
Or at least he's trying to portray that he does.
Yes, that's right.
So what's the next email?
So the next email is from December of 2015, and it's between Epstein and a journalist named Michael Wolff, who is quite a prominent journalist who had clearly spent a lot of time with Epstein.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What new emails have been released regarding Epstein and Trump?
0:00–7:31
2
How significant are the revelations about Trump's relationship with Epstein?
7:31–16:06
3
What do the emails reveal about Epstein's manipulation tactics?
16:06–16:51
4
What context surrounds the first email from Epstein to Maxwell?
16:51–29:36