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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello? Yeah, hi. My name's Claire Tennisgetter. I work for The New York Times. Do you have five to ten minutes to chat? I believe you took part in one of our polls recently.
Uh, sure. Why not? Sure, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that sounds great.
Yeah. Okay, go ahead. From The New York Times, I'm Natalie Kittroweth. This is The Daily. How would you sum up your feelings about Trump's second term so far, in one word?
One word? Okay, let's see. Great.
Excellent.
Cautious optimism. A little uneven. Chaotic.
Horrible. Embarrassing. Terrifying. Today, in a major new poll, The New York Times asked voters what they thought of the first eight months of President Trump's second term.
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Chapter 2: What are voters' feelings about Trump's second term so far?
Well, after interviewing more than 1,300 Americans from across the country last week, we found almost the exact same results that we did in April. on most of the important questions, despite all that's transpired over the last five or six months. Trump's approval rating is one point different than it was in April. It's at 43% now.
The Democrats are up two points in the race for Congress compared to three in April. On almost every issue that we asked about, the results are just within a couple points of what they were six months ago.
Okay, that is not what I was expecting. How is it possible that when so much has changed, the views have essentially remained the same?
I think it's worth going back to where we were when we conducted our last poll. This was just after the Liberation Day tariffs were announced. It was when Kilmar Abrego-Garcia was in El Salvador. And at that time, Donald Trump was suffering a clear political cost for the excesses of his actions. On everything we asked, voters said he was going too far.
And his ratings had declined since the election. Now, what's happened since then? He's pulled back on many of the things I just mentioned. Liberation Day tariffs were pulled back. Camaro Obrego-Garcia is in the United States. He's also gone further in a whole bunch of areas that you've already mentioned.
But the accumulated effect hasn't necessarily been to worsen his position politically since April. The voters who he still had with him in April were mostly strongly Republican-leaning voters, voters who backed him in 2016 and 2020 and 2024.
And while I think that we can probably come up with cases, in fact, our poll provides some cases where Trump has done things that those voters aren't necessarily happy with, much of what he has done, those voters are happy with him about. And they've stuck by his side over the last few months.
You're saying basically Trump's approval numbers have remained stable, but they're at a pretty low point.
Correct.
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Chapter 3: What did the recent New York Times poll reveal about Trump's approval ratings?
It kind of seems as though people have settled out. They've decided early on in this presidency how they feel, and they haven't changed much.
I think that's right. I think that most voters at this stage know where they stand on what this second Trump term looks like, which is being really aggressive about trying to fulfill the core promises of the America First agenda, whether it's on immigration and crime and so on. And for a lot of the voters that put them over the top in the last election, this is too much.
And they decided that pretty quickly. And for the voters that weren't repelled by his conduct in the first few months, there's been nothing about what he's done since then that's changed their mind. Even if he's gone too far, they still appreciate that he is trying to fulfill objectives that they care about.
I want to talk about the economy. This is a big issue that we haven't yet addressed. Where do people stand on the economy at this moment?
Well, they don't think the economy is very good. Only 26% of voters think the economy is good. Voters are much likely to say that Trump has made the economy worse than say he has made it better. The proportion who say he's making it worse is at 45%.
And his approval rating on the economy is pretty similar to his approval rating on everything else, which is to say that only 44% of people think he's doing a good job handling economic issues. It's worth remembering that in his first term and also during his reelection campaign that the economy was a big strength. And it's not a big strength for him right now.
The economy has been his strongest issue, right? I mean, how much of a red alert warning sign should this be for him?
Well, I think that the economy has not only been his strongest issue, but it's been really critical to winning over the voters who are on the margins of the Trump coalition. We talk all the time about his MAGA base. But what wins the voters in the middle, whether it's working class white voters in Ohio or working class Latino voters in the Rio Grande or the young voters that were dissatisfied?
The economy is really critical to what gets him over the top. So at least for now, the state of the economy as it is, we're kind of muddling along, right? We're not in some deep recession, but these aren't great prosperous times either.
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Chapter 4: How have Trump's policies affected public perception on immigration?
Nate, thanks so much for your time.
Thanks for having me.
We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.
So today is a historic day for peace and Prime Minister Netanyahu.
And I have just concluded an important meeting on many vital issues, including... In a joint press conference on Monday, President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveiled a proposal to end the war in Gaza.
Hamas will be disarmed. Gaza will be demilitarized. Israel will retain security responsibility.
The plan would require Hamas to release all Israeli hostages, to disarm, to play no role in governing Gaza in the future, and to agree to a less than full Israeli withdrawal from the enclave. Hamas is unlikely to accept Trump's plan in its current form, since it includes numerous conditions that the militant group has consistently rejected.
But if Hamas rejects your plan, Mr. President, or if they supposedly accept it and then basically do everything to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself.
Netanyahu said that if Hamas doesn't agree, Israel would finish the job by itself, with or without international support.
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