Mick Jagger Isn't Sure He Ever Lets the World See the Real Him
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From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. Mick Jagger truly needs no introduction. He's the legendary frontman of the Rolling Stones, who are releasing a new album called Foreign Tongues. I've been a fan of the Stones since 1994, when I saw them on their Voodoo Lounge tour. It was my first ever rock concert, and it left a huge impression. Since then, I've listened to just about every song the band has released, from undeniable classics like My Favorite, You Can't Always Get What You Want, to more obscure tracks like Sway. And I've always wondered, what's Mick Jagger really like? Here's my conversation with Mick Jagger.
Mick. Hi, David. Thank you for taking the time to speak with me today. That's all right. I have a bunch of questions about the new album. Okay. But I'd like to start with a question that comes from a place of pure personal curiosity. Okay. So one of my all-time favorite of your songs is Sway from Sticky Fingers. And I always wondered about the first line of that song, okay? The lyrics, which are, did you ever wake up to find a day that- A day that broke up your mind.
Broke up your mind.
Destroyed your notions of circular time. I have not.
Have you? No. So there's a question.
Do you remember where that line came from?
No, I just made it up for the moment.
Who is Mick Jagger and what is this interview about?
We were waiting for Keith to turn up for the session. He was late. And then Mick Taylor and I were there and Charlie and Bill. And I said, oh, let me try this. And I was just making it up as I go along. So that's why it's a bit random.
Yeah, but it makes sense that waiting for Keith Richards would destroy your notion of circular time. I thought maybe it was a more philosophical question.
Maybe I went back afterwards and spruced it up a bit. Well, thank you for solving that mystery for me.
I appreciate it. So the new album.
Yeah.
So it's coming just maybe two and a half years after Hackney Diamonds.
We recorded it last year now, and we did it this time last year, more or less.
But the time span between Hackney Diamonds and the previous album of original material was 18 years. Yeah, 18 years.
This is quick.
Why did it come together so quickly?
Well, I think we realized that we had a different method of making records, really. I mean, we've been... just not being very lackadaisical and we weren't really getting down to it. And so when we got Andy Watt on board, you know, we decided that, I said, there's a deadline. You know, we used to always have deadlines because we had to go on tour with the record. The tour starts in March, you have the record out, you know. I said, the Hackney Diamonds, I said, the deadline is Valentine's Day. Are you all going to remember that? So there's no excuses. You thought it was March. It's Valentine's Day, and we almost made it. Over four weeks, we recorded probably, I don't know, 14, 15 songs. I mean, a lot of stuff at...
The way I do things, some of the songs that I write, I mean, I demo a lot of them first. So I go in with a friend of mine who plays with the band, Matt Clifford. We demo a lot of the songs that I write. I demoed them and I can see they could go here, they could go there, they could be this groove, they could be that groove. My version of what I think the song sounds like is already in my head. Everything else you layer on top of that and you might say that bass is great on it, I don't want to change anything, or I just want to change just the chorus, or I would just want to change this, or I want to keep the rhythm guitar, or I don't want to keep the rhythm guitar, I'll do it again.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:10
2
Who is Mick Jagger and what is this interview about?
2:10–11:39
3
How did the Rolling Stones record the new album so quickly?
11:39–18:30
4
How does Mick Jagger’s age change how he inhabits relationship songs?
18:30–39:45
5
How has fame and performing live affected Mick Jagger’s sense of self?
39:45–59:54
6
Why does Mick include political and social commentary on the new record?
59:54–1:04:52