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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: Tony's Kon Knueppel Take

26 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent NFL media news sparked the discussion?

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This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast. Big media news yesterday in the NFL world. I like media news. I like that kind of stuff. I don't know. It's a little bit niche. Yeah! I, I, I, I'm, yeah, I like it. And yesterday I saw, and this comes on the heels of the whole Belichick Hall of Fame fiasco. Tony Dungy, out at Football Night of America. How about that?

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I read that, and Tony Dungy seems like a nice man. I've never understood his role, what makes him a compelling broadcaster. He seems really nice and also really polarizing. Yes. Well, he's been doing it for a really long time where you're kind of looking around like, how long has Tony Dungy been on TV? And does he add anything? I don't really remember anything that he said.

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In fact, his moment on TV was kind of getting yelled at by Rodney Harrison. I'm like, all right, that's good. If his role is to be yelled at, I think I'm in on this. But usually these studio shows, they cycle through these talents. And he'd been doing it for close to 15 years. At a certain point, what makes you keep that job?

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So Dave, what Mike is referencing there, you remember this, the last time we saw Tony Dungy on television, this was ahead of the Super Bowl, and Rodney Harrison dressed him down over the Belichick situation.

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which is any list that doesn't include bill belichick at the top is absolutely wrong and a lot of those players that we mentioned they're great players i played with drew brees i played with adam denatary but there's nobody more deserving to be in that hall of fame than coach belichick i've seen his greatness he i've seen him design defenses to stop your offense and um you just look at the players that he's impacted he's been unbelievable and when i look out

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throughout the hall of fame and even a guy like tom brady tom brady wouldn't be tom brady without bill belichick and that's the disappointing part of it coach and you guys got it wrong i don't think i'm i don't think i'm speaking out of term when i say rodney harrison i believe is legitimately dressing down tony dungy there because if you were just talking about belichick and the whole situation with belichick not having made the hall of fame

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I feel like he would have turned to the camera a couple times where he's like, he's talking to America. He's talking to the audience here.

Chapter 2: Why was Tony Dungy let go from Football Night in America?

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He is straight up telling him, you're wrong, player. Yeah, well, he said two things. One is, shut down your offense, right? That's a direct one, not a generic, oh, he shut down great offense, he shut down your offense. And two is, you guys got it wrong. And so that's, I don't know. And Dungy refuses to admit which way he voted, right? He still has not admitted.

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Chapter 3: How do Philip Rivers and Jay Cutler fit into NBC's plans?

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This is, I don't like this. I don't like this part of it. The idea that if you didn't do it, that you should just say, I didn't do it. It wasn't me. Like, It doesn't necessarily mean that he voted against Belichick. Right, but you know what it implies, though. You got it wrong implies you and whoever it is that you voted like got it wrong. No, but Dungy not admitting it.

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I understand what you're saying where Dungy, look, he's trying to do the admirable thing where, no, no, even if I voted that way, I still wouldn't tell you because I believe in not sharing the vote. But in this situation, we all know not sharing which way you vote means, Tony, you know all of us now believe you didn't vote for Belichick. He could have corrected that.

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What is curious to me, first of all, did Rodney Harrison, Rodney Harrison, likely the producer says to him, the pregame producer says, hey, guys, we're going to talk about the Belichick thing. And obviously, Coach Dungy, you are one of are a part of the committee. And Rodney, you're raw about this. So this should be a pretty good conversation. They're coached up.

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for the conversation did rodney harrison say to the producer otherwise i'm gonna go at dungy here is that okay with everybody i bet you he did bet you he didn't just go just didn't go in on his own like that big shocker everybody i'm going after my colleague i bet you got sign off and and if that's true Did they say to him, like, go ahead, feel free, man. Go ahead, go at him.

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And knowing, like, we feel like he's run his course for us anyway.

Chapter 4: What was Tony's rookie-of-the-year take and how did it age?

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Dave, I got to say, as someone who did a live studio show for years at ESPN, yes, you are prepped on the conversation. Sometimes they'll tell you who the, you know, so-and-so is going to take the other stance or whatever. But it's live TV, man. He could absolutely audible that. That's called going into business for yourself. Right? Like, is that what it's called? Wrestling.

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Yeah, he could absolutely audible that and say, I'm going to go more point. I can be hot on it, but I'm going to be pointed. Because hot on it is just everything he said minus your offense and minus you got it wrong. I agree. But I also think having done those pre-production meetings and everything else, they do sort of get a hint of where you're going to take things.

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And I would not be surprised if Rodney Harrison said, said, given the gravity of like, I'm going to go at this guy who's a Hall of Fame voter and I want to get into the Hall of Fame myself. And I feel like I've been left on the outside as well. But I'm here to talk about Belichick. I could see them saying like, yeah, go ahead, dude, do that. Yeah, go after him there.

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Because the other part of this is. the people in the production meeting, those producers, they have no idea about contract negotiations. They have no idea, like, oh, Dungy's not coming back. That's not something that they know.

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Chapter 5: What insights were shared about the Belichick Hall of Fame situation?

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I know this because the first time they tried to get my ass up out of ESPN, they gave me a deal that basically was like, you could be on TV 10 times a whole year. And I'd blown through that in the first two months because the producers who produced the shows that I did We're not privy to that contractual conversation. As though that's a universal rule. I mean, some producers know what's going on.

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They know, like, this guy is running out the string here. He's not going to be back with us next season. There's some producers involved that would know that. How quickly do they call Tomlin for that job? I think Tomlin's not doing anything. And I think the biggest indicator is that he didn't even have this goodbye from Pittsburgh, no goodbye to the press and his chums.

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I think Mike Tomlin wants nothing to do with football for a little bit. I'm inclined to agree with you. Who's your choice, Mike? That's available right now? That's a good question. Now, I know that these broadcasters have been really hot on the idea of getting Mike Tomlin.

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They've reached out to him in previous years where his name wasn't in the mix, but I believe that Mike Tomlin, at least for the moment, wants to stay away from it. If he decides to retire, Travis Kelsey? Yeah, I would really make a run, and I know he's coaching and he's really enjoying that. I would love Phillip Rivers on these broadcasts. Oh, yeah. That's a great call.

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Yeah, and remember when Jay Cutler first retired, there was talks of him being in a Fox booth, and then he just never did that? No, no. He wasn't in the booth at some point? I feel like he did a couple games. He did, but they said, you can't smoke in here, and he was like, well, I don't know.

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Maybe not in the booth is where I would just like to see his kind of energy, his toxic energy around the game a little bit more. Can I step in here on behalf of everyone who wasn't a former player who did a studio show? Can you not replace the coach with another player? Can we get another coach in there? Because I see this a lot. More players, more players, more players.

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I went off the board because everyone's just going to naturally pick a head coach to replace him. I'm good. The coaches don't usually give me much. They give you some. There's a guy who's really good. He's probably going to be playing maybe for Davey Steelers coming up. But Kirk Cousins on TV has been excellent. Yeah, he's been awesome. He breaks it down in a way that is super digestible.

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It's easy to understand what he's talking about from a quarterback's perspective. I think Kirk can do really well on TV. If the goal is heat, attention, and that is the game, as I've been told by Amin, that that's what you want, then I don't think you can do any better than Aaron Rodgers. He would never do it. Would he want to do it? He would never do it. I'm floating out there.

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He'd be a huge hypocrite, by the way. Massive hypocrite if he does it. I think he would. I think he likes talking. We've never seen that before, a massive hypocrite. The hypocrites that turn around and end up being some of our most charming analysts that we watch on TV. John Madden, people cannot fathom the idea that until he left the Raiders, most of football America hated him.

Chapter 6: How does the discussion shift to the future of NFL coaching?

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Yeah, so he's been known to do provocative things to get the most out of his actors, and

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and like cross lines at times, and so it's not clear whether this was, again, part of this master plan of him to like, let me get something out of these guys, or if it was just like Mike said, just casually drop there, but he said something, and one of the main actors, not Nicolas Cage and not Christian Bale, but someone else, quit, said, I'm not working on this.

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There was this class of director in Hollywood, and David O. Russell seems like an old school, like a William Friedkin type of director. Friedkin, absolutely. Yeah, there was a great documentary on what a jerk he was on the set. And Michael Mann has also driven people kind of batty on the set. I got a great Friedkin story on, not basketball, on Cinephope.

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Cinephope is a podcast I do with Zach Harper. We watch movies that are poorly rated on Rotten Tomatoes and try to ascertain whether they're accurately rated or maybe they didn't get a fair shake. Cinephope, you get it wherever you get podcasts. Amazing. and it's produced by Anthony Mays.

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This week, by the way, we've got the movie Senseless, the 1997 movie Senseless, with David Spade and Marlon Wayans. Marlon Wayans. Yes. But on Cinnabon... Get out of here with that movie. That movie wasn't that bad from what I remember. Well, you may want to rewatch it. It was of the time. You may want to rewatch it.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of DeAndre Ayton's comments?

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Yeah, it was bad. Absolutely of the time. What was it about? I didn't catch that one. Senseless was... I like that he takes an experimental drug and his senses are heightened, but he can't control them because he's Marlon Wayans. Gotcha. So he's falling out. But... On Cinephobe. It's a riot. We did Blue Chips. The great William Prekin movie with Nick Nolte. What a movie. And Shaquille O'Neal.

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Great. And Anthony Hardaway. Foul. Right? It is absolutely amazing. You know about Butch McRae? All about that Butch McRae. You know about Leon Badeau? Dion Badeau. No. Leon Badeau. That's not Leon. Bobby Herman wears Indiana Hoosiers red, white, cream and crimson. Shame the devil. The point is, good friend...

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And the guy who played Tony in Blue Chips, whose name is actually Tony in real life, tells the scene about, you know, when Nick Nolte discovers that he was point shaving, he rushes up into the flat house. He was so hurt. And he grabs him and he says, is it true? Is it true? He's like, come on. But we won the game anyway. The tear and all that stuff.

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Apparently, freaking right before that scene, smacked him. Like, not like a whap. Who, did Nolte? No. He smacked Tony. And Tony's thing was like, you know, you could have just told me, I want you to really, you didn't have to do that. But it's a great scene that comes out, but it goes back to what Mike is talking about. By the way, go back and listen to Cinepho episode on blue chips.

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If you go into Spotify and just search blue chips on Cinepho, you'll find it. We have all that conversation with Tony, who's incredible. But yeah, there's a class of director in Hollywood, it's kind of from yesteryear, where it's like, hey, my job is to get the performance out of you, and there are no lines. And it's not how I feel for real, and it's not how I would actually act, but in this

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scenario where the cameras are here and the lights are on, I will do whatever it takes to get that performance out of you. David O. Russell certainly fits that bill. Yeah, and he's a filmmaker that is known to get these great performances out of actors. Michael Mann's really one of the lone holdovers along with David O. Russell. There is a new school way to do that.

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Aronofsky's a director that is often thought of as a guy that if you work with him, you're going to have a good shot at an Oscar because you're going to deliver the performance of your career. But a lot of those guys land on the wrong side.

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Chapter 8: How does the conversation conclude regarding rookie performances?

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Don Levitard. Doesn't matter. Anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore. Eva. He said you could do it where? Anywhere. Oh, whoa. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. He said he could do it anywhere. That's crazy. Murder. Murder. Tell him.

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Stugatz. I had no idea Mean had that in his locker.

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That might be his death. That's crazy. I'm not kidding. That's crazy, killer.

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It's two Americas dead. You don't get it? This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stugatz. I've read of similar situations that we were talking about from Blue Chips recently with the movie Whiplash, where the very famous scene where he is at a different tempo when J.K. Simmons smacks him while he's berating him, that the smacking was not in the script.

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