Hour 2: Hubris
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What is the history of the Miami Heat and its recent challenges?
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Billy, it felt like you were accusing Zaslow of being a frontrunner on his Heat stuff. But Mike Ryan has basically been saying, I've checked out on basketball for two years. The moment that I saw the Heat weren't going to be any good anymore. Mike Ryan has just checked out on all basketball because for 13 years he got to ride the highest highs. And then he said, I don't want to ride this anymore. I just disagreed with all their moves.
They get rid of Kyle Lowry, which I hated, and they brought in Terry Rozier. It's like a slap in the face to me. I've just hated their approach. I hated that they allowed everybody in the Eastern Conference that they were chasing that Eastern Conference banner with to get better while they lost, sometimes directly head-to-head and trying to acquire talent. It's been terrible. They're all about culture. They're all about trying hard. And yet their stars don't play half the season. They do all the same shit that everybody else does. And they've been living off of a reputation. Trust me, like making that run in the bubble, making that run as an eighth seed from the plan on down. That's incredible outlier stuff that probably worked against the best interests of a franchise that wasn't that good to begin with.
Man, that Dame trade really didn't work out for anybody, huh? Because the Heat have ended up where they are, and Milwaukee is equally in bad footing.
Portland's better, though. It seemed to work out for Boston.
How did the Damian Lillard trade impact the Miami Heat and other NBA teams?
Yeah, it worked out great for Boston.
Yeah, they cleaned up the scraps of that trade. I just mean the Damian Lillard part of it. Look, all you have is a result, and you could say, well, I guess Miami Heat dodged one. Oh, no, I'm not saying that. I don't think we'd ever really know how that would have gone with Dame, the fit, his health. He had a lot of stuff going on in his life that hasn't been super reported on around the same time that he was told by the franchise he always loved and did the right thing by. We're not going to actually send you to the place that you want to go. We're going to make an example out of you and have the ringer do our bidding for us.
It's just a shame for him, for the Heat, for the Bucs, for everybody. And you look at all these teams that in the last five or six years were in the finals. You look at Phoenix. You look at Milwaukee. You look at even Denver, who's battling now. The Heat, all these teams that had these stars that you thought, oh, you can continue to build around some of those guys in their prime, let alone. And now they're all sort of floundering. Even for that matter, Golden State, the only reason they're there is because they took the star from one of the other teams. And that's the only reason they're still relevant.
They're quite back, baby. By the way, I'm not hating on the ringer. I think what the ringer did, obviously by their pro Celtics personalities, was a masterstroke. It's why they have a banner. They reacted to that Lillard to Heath thing so out of proportion that it was such an outsized reaction that it really beat the market, it established a narrative, and it got a lot of buy-in.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the history of the Miami Heat and its recent challenges?
0:43–2:51
2
How did the Damian Lillard trade impact the Miami Heat and other NBA teams?
2:51–6:13
3
What role did hubris play in the Miami Heat's recent team decisions?
6:13–8:55
4
Why was trading Jimmy Butler considered a wake-up call for the Heat?
8:55–10:51
5
How has the Heat’s 'championship culture' influenced fan expectations?
10:51–12:36
6
What are the fans' reactions to the Heat's season and team direction?
12:36–14:08
7
How do the hosts reflect on their fandom and loyalty to basketball teams?
14:08–15:28
8
What are the sentiments about American patriotism and dual citizenship among the hosts?
15:28–40:29
Speakers
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