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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What strategies will the Spurs and Knicks employ in Game 4?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah.
It's not a basketball play. I don't know what led up to this, but even then, even if you retaliate that way, it still can be a flagrant foul.
Chapter 3: How does PJ Carlesimo analyze the current playoff series?
I don't know if Brunson did anything to Victor or somebody else did and then he took it out on Brunson. That is a flagrant foul. Yeah, Marvin. You asked about a month ago when people are going to start hating Wemby. Well, it's starting. Yep. Yep. Yep. I mean, he had a play against Caruso. He had a play against Nas Reed. Now you have this play here against Brunson.
And he was even asked, you know, are you okay being the villain? He goes, well, you know, I'll never be Trey Young in the garden. And I thought it was a great line. But, you know, Wemby, you don't have to make friends. You're making enemies, but all you got to do is play big again tonight. I got the over-unders, courtesy of DraftKings. Jalen Brunson's 27.5. Wemby's 26.5. Carl Anthony Towns, 17.5.
Then you have Stephon Castle, 15.5. Dylan Harper, 14.5. De'Aaron Fox, 13.5. To me, the key is Carl Anthony Towns tonight. Offensively and defensively. You can't let Wemby get started early. And if you're Jalen Brunson, I know it sounds crazy to say, but he hasn't played well, and he's still the leading candidate for MVP in this series. But he's got to keep shooting.
That's the tricky part of all of this. And I'm looking at the numbers here. And if you said to the San Antonio Spurs, Brunson is going to shoot 37% in this series, 32% from three-point range. He's going to average 27 shots per game. and he's going to have 82 points on 81 total shots and averaging just over four assists. Spurs are going to take that. They will love that.
They would sign up for that in a second. The key is don't let anybody go off. If Karl-Anthony Towns ends up at 17.5 points, you're okay. Now, if he ends up with like seven assists, maybe 12 rebounds, okay, now I'd be concerned. OG Ananobi, if he gets to 16.5 points, all right, I might be a little nervous with that.
But if you said Victor gets his 26.5, Castles at 15, Harper 14, De'Aaron Fox 13, maybe you get contributions from a couple of other players. But it's probably going to be another one of those 107-104 games. This is about defense tonight. And they do have a strategy on Jalen Brunson that is working.
You've got bigger guys, longer guys, more physical guys, and this is where you know there's certain spots. Brunson probably has five spots on the floor that he wants to get to. You have to know where he wants to get to before he gets there. Yeah, Dylan. Deere and Fox 13.5 sounds like it's like 45. That sounds like you've got to take the under. I know. You've got to. Or is he Duke?
Once again, this is why I don't gamble. But this is a De'Aaron Fox, 13 and a half points? Yes, Marvin. I'm going to say a name that I never thought I'd say regarding the NBA Finals as far as a serious piece. Okay. Okay. Now, which team? The Knicks. The Knicks. Okay. All right. So it's a guy that you didn't think that you would say, and he could be a serious contributor tonight. Correct. Okay.
Dylan, do you want to guess? Jordan Clarkson. Wow. Okay. Paulie? I'm sticking with that. Jordan Clarkson. Judging from body language with Marvin, when Dylan said that, I'm going to say Jordan Clarkson. Good guess, but no. Oh, wait. Let me ask Todd. Big Knicks fan. Shamit. Bloop. Wow. He's going to go off with some threes. Landry Shamit.
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Chapter 4: What happened during the controversial play involving Wemby and Brunson?
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of flagrant fouls in the playoffs?
PJ Carlissimo won three championships as an assistant coach with the Spurs. He was also an assistant coach with the Dream Team, 1992. He's part of the broadcast team calling the NBA Finals on ESPN Radio. Tip-off tonight, 8.30 Eastern. How's the voice, PJ? I went down and got some tea and honey, DP. I'm going to make it through. The most we got is four more games, but barely.
But I listened to Doc Rivers, even Mitch Johnson. Like, there's this coach voice that I don't know if you ever recover from that if you continue to coach, do you? I can assure you, you do not. It's funny, the people in San Antonio want Mitch and I to do a show together because they say it's the two worst voices they've ever heard.
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I was talking about the when being that they didn't give him a flagrant. I have a hard time with this, PJ. To me, it's not a basketball move. If you don't want to do a flagrant two, but it is a flagrant foul, in my opinion. Your thoughts. There's been so much going on, DP.
It wouldn't have bothered me because it wouldn't have made him ineligible and he's smart enough to adjust, but I don't sympathize. Very seldom do I say nice things about officials, DP, but these series are impossible. I'm linking the Western Conference. We did the West, Kesty and myself for ESPN Radio. OKC and San Antonio, you didn't know what to call.
The teams are so good defensively, but they're being allowed to play so physical that when a call is made, you just go, what prompted them to make that call at that time? They're getting along now. We're getting to game four, obviously, in the playoffs. Guys are just, Carl Anthony Towns and Wemby are just hugging each other, wrestling. They're like using swim moves, lifting their arms to get away.
So I really wasn't bothered by Jalen. Jalen is notorious for jumping in front of people. Matter of fact, it was funny. Steph Castle got a call on him in that game the other day. Jalen drew the most offensive fouls in the league.
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Chapter 6: How does the NBA's review process impact player conduct?
29 charges he drew in a regular season. So I wasn't terribly bothered by it, nor would I have been had they given him a flagrant one because it wasn't going to knock him out. And that would have put all the officials on high alert. It would have put Wembley on high alert. So I'm kind of with you. It wouldn't bother me. But what's going on now?
And as we get deeper into the series, it's going to get worse. We got a crew tonight that's the only three guys that haven't worked yet. Zach Zarbon, James Williams, and Courtney Kirkland. I think they'll let them play a little bit more. There were a lot of free throws the other night, which bothered everybody. Did you ever instruct your players on kind of baiting a player, a star?
You know, like if I'm Mike Brown, can I tell my players to bait Wemby to try to get him into a flagrant? No, I think the players know themselves. They know what to do. These...
both teams are being so physical uh and what's unusual about this one i mean you kind of expect the big guys to be pushing each other rumble wendy if you don't have a body on wendy they're going to throw 10 lobs in a game and everybody's wondering like why aren't the you know spurs getting away with more lobs because there's a nick defender against wendy every time either undercutting them or backing into him or they're not letting him just jump up and catch the ball and lay it in like only he can do um
What's unusual about this series to me is you've got a slew of wing defenders on both teams that are way above average, that are way above aggressive, and it's just so physical. It's unbelievable to watch, and it was more noticeable. In San Antonio, we sit courtside. In New York, it's the worst radio position in the league, unfortunately, so you can't see it quite as well.
But, I mean, what's going on, DP? If you were sitting courtside and saw it, and I'm sure you – You see it watching ABC and Brainy and them. It's unbelievable what now the players are allowed to do defensively. Yeah, but you've been around this game for decades. We tend to have a recency bias, but is this more physical than it was back in the 90s or 80s? Well, maybe not going back there.
More so overall as you get closer to the basket. What's happening now is you see teams picking up 94 feet. Jalen Brunson, they're trying to beat up Jalen from the second that he gets the ball just to fatigue him, not just for the end of a game.
But for the end of a series, you know, Shea Gildress Alexander, by the time he got to game seven in the OKC series, he had seen so much of Steph Castle and De'Aaron Fox and Dylan Harper and Devin Vassell, Julian Schiaffini. They're just wailing on him the entire game. So that's a little different. In the old days, Joe Deere, those guys, you started backing in.
Once you got inside the free throw line, you couldn't move them. I mean, they had a forearm right there, and it was so physical. Lambert and the big guys were doing the same thing. I think what's different now is the pressure away from the basket, and particularly with the exceptional defensive teams. The Knicks, the Thunder...
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Chapter 7: What are the standout performances from players in the finals?
Kobe did that one of the Olympics. I think it was 08. I think it was Mike Kay's first time coaching. And I remember a lot of the other players on the team seeing what he was doing. Tim Grover was his workout guy. And before practice even started, he'd have been up in the morning, worked out for two hours. And then they'd be sitting at breakfast and Kobe'd come in sweating and go, where was he?
And he was... He was in the weight room for like two hours where he was shooting, and they were like shaking their heads going, oh, maybe that's what you're supposed to be to do if you want to be one of the best players in the league. Yeah, sometimes these players get to the NBA and they think they've made it when I think we forget, like Tiger. Tiger, he outworked everybody.
And Mike, so I think we sometimes downplay the work ethic because we just rely on the lazy, well, they're just more talented than everybody. They say to God-given talent. Did they have... Absurd talent, yes, but they outworked the other players. There's nobody in the NBA that can't play.
These guys can all play, but they can't all work the way LeBron works now, the way Kobe did, the way Michael did, the way the elite players in the league did. Tim Duncan was the same way. You didn't see it. There wasn't the flair and everything like that. He just outworked people. And on top of that, was a great talent and was a great competitor. Duncan never said anything.
You know what's funny, DP? Not a good sense of humor. Borderline great sense of humor. Tremendous teammate. Everybody always says, you know, yeah, I don't want to do interviews, but more than half of the people really do. They want to be doing the show. I don't care if I ever do another interview. He and Pop, if they had never had to do an interview, they genuinely would have been happier people.
It wouldn't have bothered them if they never had to do another interview. But behind the scenes, the stuff, any time TD would come on the floor at practice, and I happened to be talking to Pop before practice started about who knows what, TD would walk over, and he would just ignore me, and he would go, Poppy, he goes, what does he do again? What is his job here with the team?
It was an old joke, but he told it about 300 times in five years. But he has a great sense of humor. He's still working out. Pop's doing his rehab still, like four days a week in the practice facility in San Antonio. TD's with him virtually every single day. He's an amazing person. Amazing person. Tim Duncan is helping Greg Popovich with rehab. Yep, he's there. I'm just supporting him.
I don't know that he's actually doing any of the work, but he's there with him every single day. I remember when the Spurs were going to the NBA Finals, I was there for the Western Conference, and I was trying to get Pop to come up on stage and do an interview, and he kept waving. Exactly. He's like, no, I'm not coming up. And he didn't. He didn't come up.
But everybody would say, oh, you love Pop, man. He loves wine. He has a sneaky sense of humor. I go, I'll never experience it. He's not letting me in. Mike used to ask me all the time when we go back to Fordham 100 years ago, but we worked together even at NBC, and he'd say to me, hey, can I go to one of those wine dinners with you and Pop on the road?
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