Chapter 1: What list of songwriters is being discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: Who are some of the greatest living American songwriters mentioned?
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Chapter 3: Why are Billy Joel and Hall & Oates not included in the list?
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Chapter 4: What criteria are used to determine the greatest songwriters?
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts feel about the variety of artists on the list?
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Chapter 6: What controversies arise from the songwriters list?
And it was the 50 Greatest Living American Songwriters. And I thought, okay, I'll look at that. And you go through and you see Bob Dylan is in there. Carole King is in there and gave us the great album Tapestry. You got Outkast in there. So there's Bad Bunnies in there. There's a variety of artists in there. And you're kind of going through Stevie Wonder's in there.
And you're going, okay, Bruce Springsteen. All right.
Chapter 7: What are the best and worst moments of the weekend discussed?
Then all of a sudden I go, well, Hall & Oates are still alive. I think they wrote most of their music. And then I go, Billy Joel is still alive. I think he wrote most of his music. They're not in there. So the top 50 American, living American songwriters. Is it top 50 or top 30, Paul? I got 30. Oh. Well, maybe they should have gone to 50, so then Billy Joel and Hall & Oates would have made that.
Chapter 8: How do the hosts react to listener calls regarding the songwriters list?
But I was kind of surprised at this list that... And some of the artists I didn't know, and some of them are just songwriters, but I was kind of surprised that Hall & Oates and Billy Joel didn't make the cut. Yeah, Paul? Yeah. I'm reading the list, and I'm surprised with Billy Joel, because even if you don't like his music, you can't argue with the success of his work for a 10-year period.
They did have a postscript article, 11 great American songwriters who didn't make our list, the New York Times. They did that because of the reaction. Well, who did they put in there? All the people you just named that didn't make it, like Billy Joel and a few others. Did Hall & Oates make their list of... Because I don't know if they wrote their music. I know Billy Joel did. Frank Ocean made it.
Billy Joel did. Hall & Oates did not. Well, to be fair to the list in New York Times, I should check and see if Hall & Oates actually wrote their music. Kendrick Lamar is in there. There's people that deserve to be in there. It's just kind of surprising that you have the 30 greatest living American songwriters, and Billy Joel doesn't make that list. Yes, Paul?
Does it matter if an artist writes his songs or her songs? Yes. James Taylor's not in there, is he? Because I think James Taylor wrote his music. I don't think James Taylor is in there among the top 30. Yeah, Paul. I remember seeing an interview with Garth Brooks, the great country star, at his peak. And he even said, I don't write the songs. I'm given songs. I'm the performer.
And because people were asking, oh, you don't write your own songs. It's a bad thing. He goes, well, you know, Robert De Niro doesn't write his own lines. Well, Sinatra didn't write anything, I don't think. I mean, I get it. There are certain artists that will take what you give them and then make it theirs. But did Chris Stapleton make it in among the greatest living American songwriters?
I don't know if Chris did. He's written over a thousand songs. He's written songs where he hands them out to other people. He said Adele, he wrote a song for Adele. He said, I didn't even know who Adele was at the time. But, you know, he wrote a song for her, wrote a song for Darius Rucker. I mean, he's written a lot of songs. I would think that he would be in there. Yes, Dylan?
We got Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton in there, and Young Thug. And Willie Nelson should be in there. Willie is one of the great songwriters of all time. And any list that has Dolly Parton in, I'm fine with that. Yes, Marvin? Yeah, Dolly Parton should just be in there alone just for writing Jolene and I Will Always Love You in the same day. Jolene.
I think Dolly talked about she eventually ran into Jolene years later and she said basically that Jolene didn't hold up. Like, Jolene didn't look like Jolene when she wrote the song. Yeah. Yes, Marv. There's pictures of young Dolly Parton and the question always is, what did Jolene look like? Because if you're leaving Dolly Parton for Jolene, have better been top five dead or alive.
Yeah, but this is Dolly talking about how beautiful Jolene was. Need a young picture of young Jolene. The Magic have fired Jamal Mosley. Here we go. So Billy Donovan. And I was told this a while ago when it looked like he was going to leave the Bulls, that where would his two places be that he would go to? One was Golden State, and the other one was the Orlando Magic.
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