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Hour 3 – Are Horses Athletes?, Jim Jackson

04 May 2026

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Chapter 1: Should horses be considered athletes after the Kentucky Derby?

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

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American soccer is about to explode. The World Cup is coming.

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Ramos sending on Ernie Stewart. The chip. Score! I'm Tab Ramos.

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I'm Tom Boak. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, you'll get the real storylines, the biggest decisions, and the truth about the U.S. national team.

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It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals.

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Chapter 2: What insights does Jim Jackson provide on Jalen Brown's comments?

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Saturday, Saturday. This is the Saturday. 19 of the 20 horses entered in the Kentucky Derby were descendants of Secretariat. Nobody has that kind of hold on a sport, like when you think about it. And there were other great horses, but Secretariat just had something about the look of Secretariat, the size of Secretariat, and what Secretariat did to the rest of the field.

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I mean, this is like Tiger at the U.S. Open at Pebble Beach or Tiger at Augusta. in the Masters, where you're winning by 12 and winning by 15. Those things don't happen in majors. And, you know, in the triple crown race, you'd be winning by 15 lengths. How many lengths did Secretariat win the Belmont by? Wasn't it a horse called Shed that finished second?

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And I don't even know if Shed is in the picture at the finish line. Yeah, Paulie. 1973 in the Belmont.

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Secretariat won by 31 lengths. In the photo right by the finish line, if that's what it's called, you can see no horses in the background. Dang. Yeah, Marshall.

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I mean, Secretariat. He was on the Sports Century 50 Greatest Athletes of All Time. He was above Dr. J. He might be in the top 10. I remember, because I was hosting Sports Century at the Mothership, and each week we would unveil who's next. It was so important to Tim Duncan during the NBA Finals that he wanted to know who was number one on the list.

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And I said to him, if you win the title, I'll tell you. He wins the title. And he comes in, he goes, first thing he says, comes into the SportsCenter set. We're getting ready to go on SportsCenter. He goes, who's number one? And I said, Jordan. Then he goes, okay. Yes, Marv. Secretary was 35th all time. I thought there was a horse. I thought there was one that was higher than that.

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People had a real problem that a horse was in the top 50 greatest athletes of all time. Yes, Paul?

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Probably had a better chance to get the Secretariat for an interview than Jordan.

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Well, I had to work. I remember my boss said, you've got to pull out all the stops and get Jordan to do an interview. I said, we've tried. Mike doesn't want to do it. He said, tell him it'll look bad if he's number one on the list. We need him in here. Mike had played, I think, 36 holes of golf that day. I had to go into New York. And he was playing, I think, in Jersey. And Mike came in.

Chapter 3: How does the NBA playoffs affect player officiating?

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Number 9, Jack Nicklaus. Number 8, Willie Mays. Number seven, Jim Thorpe. Number six, Jesse Owens. Number five, Wayne Gretzky. Number four, Jim Brown. Number three, Muhammad Ali. Number two, Babe Ruth. And number one, Michael Jordan. Yeah. Boy, they had a problem, though. But I remember talking, I can't say the athlete, but he's like, how do you have a horse in there over us?

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I said, Secretary was an athlete. But he was a horse. I said, I know. Just saying. Yes, Dylan. I mean, if you're going purely off total dominance, Secretariat should probably be number one. We could never have done that. A horse can't be number one.

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No, no, no, no, no, no. And I'll disagree because if you look at athlete, what other sports could Secretariat play?

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But Secretariat need to have somebody on his back. He did need help. I mean, Jordan did need Pippen. Babe Ruth needed Lou Gehrig. Yes, yes, Dylan. We've never even seen what Secretary could do without someone on his back, though, you know? 33 lengths at the Belmont, maybe? You try to carry a guy who weighs 110 pounds around the track. For my birthday, RecTech is giving away a grill. Yay!

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Go to RecTech.com. You'll search the Dan Patrick Show for details. Tune in on May 15th. Chef Greg will be here to give it away and cook for us. RecTech, R-E-C-T-E-Q. Tonight, 76ers and the Knicks at the Garden. Followed by... Not as dramatic, the Timberwolves at the Spurs. Coverage on NBC and Peacock starts at 8 Eastern. Yes, Paul?

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Anthony Edwards of the Timberwolves upgraded to questionable.

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I like it. Okay. Not doubtful. I like it. I think that I got Timberwolves are 13.5-point underdogs. 76ers, 7.5-point underdogs. On Tuesday night, Cavaliers are 3.5-point underdogs against the Pistons. The Lakers are 15.5-point underdogs against OKC. All righty. Spent a lot of time in the first hour talking about Jalen Brown of the Celtics.

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He was on his Twitch stream and talked about the officiating and had a problem. He did use the word agenda. And I'm going to guess this commissioner will have an agenda to talk to Jalen Brown about.

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It clearly had an agenda. Like maybe because I spoke in those critical of the refs in the regular season. So, you know how they responded. Like we're going to call every we're going you're going to lead the playoffs and offensive fouls. That's how that was the response from the officiating crew. You could clearly tell.

Chapter 4: What changes in strategy do teams need for the NBA Conference Semifinals?

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The fact that officials told him there was an agenda, that is what caught my attention. If I'm the commissioner, I want to know, Jalen Brown, come on in, and I want you to tell me who these officials are. Because if not, I want you to retract. I want you to issue an apology. Now, if it's true, all right, now we got something here. But, yes, do other players get away with things? Yes, they do.

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But you try to get away with it. If you're not cheating, you're not trying, as Mark Grace would always say to me. You're trying to get an edge. However you get the edge. Shea Gilgis Alexander. He initiates contact. He's getting the calls. Doesn't mean he's going to stop because, well, you know, it's kind of an unfair advantage I'm getting a call and somebody else isn't. You know, Jalen Brunson.

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This is where teams would always take clips, and then they would send it to the NBA, the home office, and say, just look at this so you know why we're upset about this. This is our guy. These are calls that are made or not made. That's their guy, calls that are made or not made. Tripp in Vegas is back. Hi, Tripp. What's on your mind today?

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835.275 - 857.52 Tripp

Hey, good morning, DP. I had two bests of the weekend. A few names maybe for the music, if I'm correct. Best would be Cameron Young. And then the second best would be Scotty Scheffler. Again, a ho-hum, number one player in the world, finishing second. And then on the music list, I may be incorrect on this, but I was thinking maybe Smokey Robinson, Hank Williams, or Alison Krauss.

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Smokey Robinson is on that list, I believe. Alison Krauss is not on that list. And who was the other one? Hank Williams. Did not see Hank Williams on that list. Now, this is the New York Times' 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters. Because I immediately thought, wait, Paul McCartney's not in there. And then my wife said, it's American songwriters. Yes, Paul.

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I did not see Bob Seger on the list. He's not.

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That's a toughie. Yeah. He had some hammers, and I double-checked. He wrote them.

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Yeah. Yeah, a deal. So we're ruling out front men of bands, right, who wrote the music? Because I'd say David Byrne talking heads would be up there. He wrote all their songs. Well, Steven Tyler with Aerosmith. I think him and Joe Perry wrote most of the music there. I don't know. I don't know who voted.

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I don't know what the criteria was, but I think there are a few omissions there with the New York Times. New York Times did what they wanted, and I think they got what they wanted. Some knucklehead's going to go on a show and talk about, oh, this guy should have been that guy. Yes, Marvin. As long as Bob Dylan and Stevie Wonder are on, you could put 28 other people on there.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the Kentucky Derby results on future races?

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Like, the amount of songs that Dylan's written for other people. Well, Willie Nelson, too. Yeah. I mean, he wrote Patsy Cline's Greatest Hit. And Willie's probably... I don't know if he's still writing at his age now. But, yeah, you're... I mean, all you got to do is listen to Songs in the Key of Life with Stevie Wonder. What do you have, the double album, Inner Visions? It was. Oh, boy.

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Songs in the Key of Life is the double album. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Stevie was... That was some wild, great, great, great music. Yes, Marvin? He was so dominant. I just saw this on YouTube yesterday. Paul Simon won Album of the Year, and he thanked Stevie Wonder for not putting out an album this year. That's pretty good. Pretty good.

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It's like Akeem Olajuwon should apologize to Mike Jordan for playing baseball. Mike, thank you for taking some time off. All right. Coming up, we'll talk some hoops. We'll talk to Jim Jackson. Was Jim Jackson on the Detroit-Orlando call, Todd? Yeah, he did Friday night's game six between the Pistons and the Magic. All right. We'll talk to Jim coming up next. More of your phone calls as well.

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Best and worst of the weekend. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick Show weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern, 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7 p.m.

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Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino and Rich live on YouTube every day. All you gotta do, search Covino and Rich FSR on YouTube. Again, go to YouTube, search Covino and Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon, and comment away.

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

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Listen to Superhuman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

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A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

Chapter 6: How does Secretariat's legacy compare to modern horses?

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I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Lil' Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back At It podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.

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To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know.

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

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We also have eggs on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to Look Back at It on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keir Gaines. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.

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I'm talking Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing...

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We get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch.

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Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you're here on Earth? Or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person.

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Join me, Keir Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way.

Chapter 7: What are the challenges facing the 76ers in the playoffs?

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They're going to have a new stadium built, and most of these teams, when you build a—Buffalo's not going to get a Super Bowl. I was told that they'll get the draft, but they're not going to get a Super Bowl. Yes, Marv? Cleveland feels like a draft city just because of how cold and how snowy it can get in early February. Yeah, but the draft is in April.

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I thought you said they would get a Super Bowl. No, no, no. No, Buffalo's not getting. I was talking about Cleveland. Why are you yelling at me again? I was raising it just a smidge, but you know how I get about the draft. Okay. But Cleveland is now that I think they're concerned about the number of hotels that are going to be available.

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But if they're going to have a retractable roof, then the commissioner talked about Cleveland was going to get the Super Bowl. By the way, I know a lot of people say, hey, when's your prediction going to come true about Nashville getting a Super Bowl? Nashville's getting a Super Bowl in 2030. Now, when it's announced, then you can ask me if there's something different there.

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I think my source is too good. And he even apologized. He said, hey, I'm sorry. It's going to take a couple of weeks before this comes. I go, okay. Just kind of hang in here a little bit. He goes, no, no, no. You're ahead of the curve. I go, okay. Yeah, Paul.

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By the way, for the poll question, Billy Joel, six Grammys, Terry Bradshaw, four Super Bowls.

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Yikes. Okay. Mariah Carey is on this list of greatest living songwriters. Okay.

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Okay.

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Mariah Carey wrote that silly Christmas song. I don't know what other songs that she wrote. I mean, I want to be fair to her, but... Does anybody know the catalog for Mariah Carey? Marvin, aren't you a Mariah Carey fan? I told you that in confidence, but yes. But she wrote a lot of her hit songs. Okay. I'm not up on her hit songs, but she did write that Christmas song. Yes, Dylan.

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Always Be My Baby. That's a pretty good one, Dan. Fantasy. I just know the movie Glitter didn't do well, did it? But she's very successful, and she can sing in five octaves, I believe. I think five. I don't know. I think there's somebody on record who has eight octaves. I know. An eight-octave player? Yes. Yes. Not a five-tool. Eight-octave player. I don't know.

Chapter 8: What are the predictions for the upcoming NBA games?

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Jim Jackson, NBA college basketball analyst. Always great to have Jim back. How are you feeling? I'm good. I'm good. Just for you, I got up early. I'm on the West Coast. So just letting you know that if we didn't have this really good relationship, No. I'm just saying. Jim, it's 8.30 out there. Yeah, but I live in L.A. I know. It's 8.30 in L.A. It's not 4.30. What's early? It's not early.

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No, it's early. It really is. I'm off-season now, so now I don't have to be up. So this is a strategic effort that I'm giving you right now. How about a round of applause for Jim Johnson? All right, Jim. Thanks. You got up at 8.30. No, I didn't get up at 8.30. I got up earlier to make sure I was ready. So that means I had to get up earlier.

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By the way, your good buddy Jason Kidd was on the show last week. And you know what he co-signed on? Tell me. that he sicked out on that shooting contest when he was with the Mavs. That he what? Remember, he got sick. I flew down to Dallas. I told you the story. You didn't believe me. Marvin, did Jason Kidd admit that he was afraid to shoot against me when he was with the Mavs?

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Jim, I know you think DP is lying, but J. Kidd confirmed his story. Okay, but how did he say it is the key because he could just be placating you to make sure that you keep your prayer. So now you're calling Jason Kidd a liar. No, no, I said placate. See, understand that the language is that Jason is that kind of player. I mean, and coach is all about the team. It's not about him.

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So if you say it, Jay is like, okay. Yes, Dan, you know what? I didn't want to get embarrassed. And that's basically what he said, Jim. Yeah, and I said the same thing. You see how it works? Yeah. I'm just saying that you questioned me as a journalist, and that hurt. Well, I question the one-on-one part and not shooting. I'm still waiting for that. Oh, no, I'm not playing him one-on-one.

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I'm just shooting. Well, you and I, I'm not passing up on that opportunity right now. You should be able to beat me. All right, let me talk some basketball. I don't know what Jalen Brown is talking about, but it feels like he might get in trouble for saying this about the referees in the playoffs.

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It clearly had an agenda, like maybe because I spoke in those critical of the refs in the regular season. So, you know how they responded? Like, we're going to call every, you're going to lead the playoffs in offensive fouls. That was the response from the officiating crew. You could clearly tell. And I've actually spoke to some refs and they said it was an agenda going into each game.

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So anytime Jalen brings his arm up, Just from reputation, just call it. Paul George does the same thing. Jalen Brunson does the same thing. I can go down the list. It's a basketball play, whether y'all believe it or not.

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Okay, this isn't necessarily complaining. This is accusing, Jim. And he's saying officials told him there was an agenda. What do you make of this? Well, it's tough because... If that's a conversation he had, it's tough to dispute that. We don't know how accurate or if it is really accurate. Jalen Brown hasn't been one to accuse a player, a ref of anything throughout his career.

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