Dave and Chris welcome back their old friend René Redzepi, chef at the ever-adventurous and likely epoch-defining Noma, to catch up after three years apart and discuss the just-released 'Noma 2.0: Vegetable, Forest, Ocean.' Plus: the limitations of success, the fermentation pigeonhole, fear in Europe, what happens when your restaurant’s energy costs go up 700 percent, a rink on the brink, the book you want vs. the book they want, Redzepi’s first restaurant job, an epiphanic pineapple, cooking with a true Viking, musk ox tartare, the candelabra era, George Orwell’s dishwasher days, moss sushi, harvesting wild kiwis, Noma goes to Kyoto, and René and Dave make a few predictions about the cutting-edge restaurants to come. Hosts: Dave Chang and Chris Ying Guest: René Redzepi Producers: Sasha Ashall, Jordan Bass, and Aleya Zenieris Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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