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The David Pakman Show

ICE losing the country as Trump goes bad in Detroit

14 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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Ice agents are having a real problem, and the problem is that they have been sent into situations so deplorable and despicable that they are now afraid of the public, afraid to drive marked cars, afraid to do routine operations.

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Chapter 2: What are the concerns regarding ICE agents after the killing of Renee Good?

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And this is what happens when you turn law enforcement into a political weapon. And now there are consequences. We will then go to Detroit, where Donald Trump's audience was in stunned silence as he rambled, lied about the popular vote, mangled basic economics and even mocked a cancer patient. No applause, no energy, total confusion.

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And it gets worse because Trump then flipped off a heckler during a visit to a Ford factory, mouthed FU. And the White House says it was an appropriate response to what the heckler was doing. We will break it down.

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Chapter 3: How does Trump justify his economic claims during his speech in Michigan?

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And it's really about Trump's lack of control. And then Tony DeCouple interviewed Donald Trump. And it did not go well. And it was followed up by a complete and total truth social meltdown. We also have really interesting video of Joe Rogan plainly saying the entire immigration enforcement apparatus has gone completely off the rails. And when you lose Rogan, listen, we will talk about it.

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Impeachment. Is it coming or not? Well, it seems to be getting closer. That's for sure. All of that and more today.

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Chapter 4: What happened during Trump's meltdown at the Ford factory?

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We start today with a story that is sort of so obvious, I'm surprised it took this long. ICE agents now realizing that they are despised no matter what Donald Trump says about how much the public loves what they're doing. They realize they are so despised that they are terrified to be out in public. This is what happens.

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when a government turns law enforcement into a political weapon and then doesn't grapple with the consequences, which is what's going on.

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Chapter 5: How does Trump respond to basic policy questions during his interviews?

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Ice agents are now admitting that they are afraid of the public. They're afraid to drive marked vehicles. They're afraid to do routine operations. They're afraid that large swaths of the country now see them as these menacing presences rather than protectors of public safety. That is not a fear that just popped up spontaneously for no reason whatsoever.

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It has been building and building as Americans don't like, on average, the immigration enforcement, if you can call it that, of this administration. And this latest escalation was triggered when an ICE agent, Jonathan Ross, shot and killed an unarmed civilian, 37 year old mother, Renee Good. during the operation in Minneapolis, and that has sparked national outrage and also protests.

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Now, as we all know, Goode was not a criminal. She was not armed. She was the mother of three described by her family as compassionate and devoted. And she was shot three times in her vehicle. And the federal government's initial justification, which she was trying to run over ICE officers, has been widely called into question, including by the video that has been released.

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I will mention there is a new angle to the video, which some are saying proves good hit Ross with her car. What I see when I watch the video is Ross, first of all, stepping in front of the vehicle, which you are not supposed to do. and then leaning forward to make contact with the vehicle, then used as justification for shooting Rene Good. But that's not what this segment is about.

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I just want to mention I have seen that video.

Chapter 6: What false claims does Trump make about federal funding and sanctuary states?

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So what is the result of what has taken place? It's a historic collapse in public support for ice. Polling shows that ISIS approval rating went from a net positive to deeply, deeply negative during the year that Donald Trump has been president. Majorities of the country now disapprove of ice and disapprove of ISIS use of force. agents are being met with all sorts of hostile gestures.

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And this includes drivers making gun signs as they pass ICE patrols, following, heckling, banging pots and honking horns outside of hotels where ICE is known to be staying.

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Chapter 7: What does Joe Rogan say about ICE violence and the killing of Renee Good?

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And the worry now is growing to the surge that we are seeing in operations at the same time that individual officers are afraid to actually be out there and seen carrying out their orders. Now, one thing that I think is important to mention here is that a lot of you wrote to me and said, if I was terrified of my job, I would quit and that a lot of people would.

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A profession that once had public support should not have its defenders cowering at the sight of their own vehicles. And here's where the sort of psychology of the current ice force really matters, because we are not talking about battle tested professionals with deep civic purpose and extensive training. We are talking about a lot of recent recruits

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forget about their physical stamina and their actual qualifications and intelligence.

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Chapter 8: What warnings does Trump give to Republicans regarding impeachment?

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We are seeing recent recruits motivated by something that is not really noble. In my view, these are adults who are desperate to collect a sign on bonus and a badge. rather than saying, I'm going to do honest work.

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And in too many cases, the bonus that they received when they signed on came with the ability to punch down, to punch down at women and people who are just speaking, expressing their views. And this is why a lot of ICE agents are panicking. when they are confronted with actual resistance or even just ordinary disdain from the public that they are supposed to be serving.

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They joined ICE because they it wasn't that they believed they were going to make the world safer. It gave them a chance to feel big. to have authority over others, to escape their insecurities with their badges and guns and masks. And that is not real purpose. And so your identity collapses when the public starts treating you like you are the threat, which to a degree they are.

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Now, if you know what, there's a question as to the contrast with the protesters. You have protesters now filling the streets. not because of a desire to exert power over others or to use physical force or whatever. You have protesters who are being activated by a noble cause, which is that they believe there is overreach here.

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People are willing to risk their safety and freedom because they believe in something larger. And that is democracy. That is stopping state violence. And it is maybe even saving lives that would be lost at the hands of ICE. The protesters aren't there for a paycheck or a power trip. They are there because they think that it matters.

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That is very different than these recent recruits to ICE, many of whom are terrified, not because they are under threat from criminal cartels or murderous gangs, but because ordinary Americans increasingly look at what they're doing And they say, wait a second, unaccountable users of brutal force that is killing civilians and expecting silence in return. I don't think so.

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And so the officers are now in a situation where they are terrified to a degree of the circumstances that they in serving Donald Trump have helped to create. It's not about, oh, they deserve to be hurt or whatever. I'm against violence, period. I'm against violence perpetrated by ICE. I'm against violence perpetrated against ICE officers. I'm against violence, period.

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What we are sort of acknowledging here is that as a result of Trump's ideology and policy, you now have officers who were recruited under maybe less than completely honest circumstances with improper and significantly shortened training that are now being sent out there to do Trump's bidding And they're realizing, damn, this isn't really a good environment for us.

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We've created that bad environment would be the sort of come to Jesus moment, the mea culpa moment that many of them are lacking. So polling shows deeply disliked and also they are increasingly afraid. Well, maybe this entire operation should be reconsidered. That's where I would land. Donald Trump spoke in Detroit, Michigan, yesterday.

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