Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Good morning, Lemonheads, Lemon Nation. Welcome to the Lemon Nation. We're all over the nation here. We're traveling. We're on the road. We're moving. We're doing things. So welcome to the program. Thank you so much for joining. Here is, by the way, how did you sleep? Okay, I didn't get much sleep. Got to bed a little late. Same issue. Dogging, you know. Old. Old.
What do you guys, do you guys have any advice for senior dogs? Like, what do you do? Do you just live with it? I think I didn't want to say this. I think he has. I really do. Why not? I think, I think I'm pretty sure he does. Cause he just kind of roams around and makes noise. And anyhow, that's my life. So we have a lot to talk about.
We have a lot to talk about this morning because I think that the country is, should I call it under siege? This is definitely a police state. I think we're in a police state right now because we've got ICE agents in states and municipalities across the country. They're still in Maine or pulling out of Maine. They were there. They've been in Georgia.
They've been in, I think they've been in Georgia. They've been in Washington, D.C., in California, obviously, Minnesota, just wreaking havoc everywhere. And now Tom Holman, who is the border czar, is there.
in minnesota and it feels like a police state especially if you look at the fbi who's been conducting this raid or raids in georgia for 2020 election records when there's there's there's no there there they're just putting you through they're just putting you and whoever they can through um turmoil as i said this is a retribution he said this is his retribution so this is a retribution but it seems like a retribution on the citizens
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So thank you for joining us. It is a very big show. Tom Holman, who is the borders are you guys remember the guy? He can't really, you don't even understand what he's saying. It's like, you know, people have been calling him like a marble mouth, you know, kind of mumbles or whatever. Now,
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Chapter 2: How is the ICE crisis affecting communities in America?
All of them, as I said, I believe, are incompetent and they're actually making Donald Trump look worse. Not that he needs any help, but they are helping him to look worse. It does not look good for the Trump administration. We'll see what Holman is going to do. But again, everyone, please hit the thumbs up, hit the like. That's the first order of business. It affects the algorithm.
More people become aware of our channel and our conversation, and we want as many people aware as possible because it's important for the viability of our channel. Okay, so here's the thing. Tom Holman spoke early this morning, like seven-ish, I believe, this morning in Minnesota and took questions from reporters. And what I thought was interesting is that he did not come in immediately.
This is a change in tone. You can see he's doing it on purpose. He's trying to be moderate, trying to moderate his voice and all of that. And so... trying to appear calm, like the voice of reason. And so he's saying, though, which I thought is interesting, he's saying, sounds to me like he's saying, these people effed up, like they messed up, and I'm here to fix it. Here's what he's saying.
That said, I'm not here because the federal government has carried this mission out perfectly. First thing I said to senior staff when I walked in here, That's why I told you earlier, I didn't come here looking for photo ops or headlines. I come here looking for solutions. I do not want to hear that everything that's been done here has been perfect. Nothing's ever perfect.
Anything can be improved on. And what we've been working on is making this operation safer, more efficient by the book. The mission is going to improve because of the changes we're making internally.
Okay, the changes we're making internally. Now, is he talking about you-know-who? Is he talking about Noam and others? Is he talking about Bovino and others? My thought is that if they really want to make a change, what they would do is try to partner with the people. They should have done that before they came in. No one is asking this question that I believe at the press conference.
Why are you here anyways? Why are they here anyway or there anyways? They didn't ask to work with the local and state officials. They didn't ask to partner with them. They didn't say, how can we help you? They just came in like Miley Cyrus is like a wrecking ball. And wreaked havoc on the people. And now after they've wreaked havoc on the people, they've injured so many people.
They've beaten so many people up. They've destroyed so many people's lives. They've actually taken lives. Now they want to pretend as if they're going to come in and be a moderate force and that this is some sort of lawful mission that they're carrying out, some sort of noble mission.
It's not noble, nor is it lawful, especially not unless you are going to start giving people asserting your due process rights. And even if you do that, the question is, why the hell are you there in the first place? The BBC is saying Holman speaks in Minneapolis, and he certainly did this morning.
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Chapter 3: What actions are being taken against federal forces in Minneapolis?
Donald Trump told the folks, when asked, let's not forget this, if you can find it, producers, Peter, Nikki, someone, if you can find it, when Donald Trump was asked a couple weeks ago how he felt about the ICE goons out there, what they were doing with people, did he think they were going too far, if it was too much, Donald Trump says, no, I think they should go harder.
I think they're doing a good job, and I think they should go harder. So Donald Trump knew. He's trying to pretend now that this was not his call. This was not the way he intended this to go. But he said explicitly himself, I think they should go harder. Tom Holman is saying now, again, I'll believe it when I see it, that the folks who are mistreating people, they're going to be dealt with.
Here it is.
ICE and CBP officers are performing their duties in a challenging environment. under tremendous circumstances. But they're trying to do it with professionalism. If they don't, they'll be dealt with. Like any other federal agency, we have standards of conduct.
They are sworn law enforcement officers working tirelessly to enforce our country's border security and immigration laws, protecting the interests of our country and preventing dangerous people from walking the streets of this nation when they're not supposed to be here to begin with.
okay again there are ways to deal with that that's why i say why are you here in the first place there are ways to deal with that rather than beating people up on the streets and so you cannot put the genie back in the bottle you can try to fix it or whatever okay there's a fix but you can't bring a life back you can't make up for the frustration that people have people are frustrated because they felt that they were untreated they are feeling
And I think that it is true that they have lost their rights. And they have a reason to be frustrated and pissed off. And they have a reason to be angry. Now, there's no reason for violence, but still, there's a reason to be angry. And when people are frustrated, they lash out. They act in ways that they don't normally act.
And so to try to pretend that this is some noble mission that these guys are doing, I think it's all bullshit. And is there a difference between Bovino and Holman? Maybe it's a difference between the way that they speak on camera, but I don't know if it's a difference in the way that they conduct themselves. I don't think it's going to change anything about what they're doing.
I think that they're going to speak in a different tone. You probably won't see Tom Holman out there in a Gestapo coat looking like a mini Nazi. First of all, he's not two feet tall like Gregory Bovino, but I don't think he will conduct himself that way. But the question is not really what Holman is going to do.
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Chapter 4: How does Tom Holman describe the current situation with ICE?
yet he's being snatched away from his family. At the end of the day, you're kidnapping people to meet an imaginary quota that you made up. You're ripping families apart. You're ignoring due process. Because let's remind everybody, Don, even if you are the worst of the worst, you're still entitled to due process in this country as per the Constitution. So...
At the end of the day, for Tom Holman to come in and say, we're going to continue to do this, all he really said was, I just wish that McStayton's local officials would do it with us. That's what he really said. And then he also mentioned that the agents are working. This is what really pissed me off.
He said, these agents are working in a hostile environment and they're putting their life on the line. You're showing up to kidnap people. And unarmed protesters are simply blowing whistles and verbally protesting your existence. The only people that are attacking people is ICE agents. The only people that are armed is ICE agents. The only people that are escalating things Ice agents.
And so I'm sick and tired. I heard Kristi Noem say it. I heard Greg Bovino say it. Now I've heard Tom Holman say it. This imaginary idea that these ice agents are in some very dangerous environment. No, you're not. You're in the streets of Minneapolis, brother. You're in the streets of wherever you are. Philly, Atlanta, Maine. That's where they are right now. I just heard they're in Austin, Texas.
You're not in like some war-torn combat zone where as soon as you step on the street, people are taking crack shots at you. Shut the fuck up. You're not out here risking your life. You're actually out here destroying people's lives. So there's this imaginary world that exists.
the government has created where these ICE agents are putting their life on the line to get dangerous criminals off the street. And as you just highlighted with your last piece, they're not dangerous criminals. And as we've all seen with our own eyes, they're not risking their lives. They're taking lives.
Mm-hmm. You heard... I played the soundbite twice. I'm not sure you heard. He was... Tom Holman was asked about, you know, why are they just detaining people? And he said, well, it's going to be targeted.
But then he said, but the playbook can't be that if you come over unlawfully and then you, you know, go to work or whatever, and then you get served and you either show up at your thing or not, then you're OK. I'm not sure what that means. Did you hear that sound bite? I did not, but I know what it is. I hate to do this.
I hate to play it three times, but I want to get your assessment on this, Jolly, because I think this is a really, really, really important point. Play it again, please, for me, Andy. Sorry, audience, but I want Jolly to hear it.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the police state on civil liberties?
And that's why I said, Jolly. I'll believe it if I see it, right? Seeing is believing. And so if they're saying that they want to work with local officials and they want the local officials to help them out and hand over this, why aren't they handing over stuff to the local officials? If they want to work with the local officials, why aren't they working with the local officials?
You know what I'm saying? The Lions, right? What's that song? Why you always lying? Because, listen, they want the local officials to work with them, not vice versa. They want the local officials to turn over people.
Did you hear Tom Holman, and I think it was Pam Bondi as well, they were basically saying they would like for local and state and local prisons and jails to turn over people who's in custody that's on their little list of criminal illegal aliens. And the state and local officials are like, nah, I passed. And the reason they pass is once you turn them over, they'll lose their due process.
The fact that they're already arrested and in state custody means that they're going through due process. So giving them up to the federal government is literally going to lose that. So the reason that nobody's cooperating with the federal government is because the federal government is not, like you just said, not following the rules.
Like, Pete Ellison just said, I don't even know the names of the people that shot him, and I'm the fucking attorney general. Listen, Remember when Jonathan Ross murdered Renee Nicole Good three years ago? That's how it feels at this point, that every day is a year.
It was like three years ago, but it was three weeks ago.
That's what I mean, yeah. Last year, 2020, 2025 was the longest 12 years of my life. But the point I'm getting at is Jonathan Ross was allowed to leave the scenes immediately. When he got to his house, he had other ICE agents. They helped him pack his shit up and leave. They put him under some kind of WIPRO program that they have.
They took the car from the scene without any CSI gun on the car, which is standard procedure, took the car out of state. It is very clear that the federal government has no intention of cooperating with the state and local government. to do an actual investigation then or now.
When he says, when Tom Holman said this morning that ICE agents will be held accountable, that's just language to appease people's ears. That's just for the moderate white liberals who believe the shit they say. That's for the fucking white liberals to be like, oh, well, see, there's progress. We're making it somewhere. Your question was, is America a police state? My question is, when was it not?
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Chapter 6: How do local officials respond to federal requests for cooperation?
That time that he was 16 years old and might have been shoplifting. It's always the smear campaign of the victim to justify the actions of the victimizers. And this is what we've allowed this to happen to black and brown and visually people forever. And now it's happening on a mass scale. I'm going to continue to quote Malcolm X here. The chickens.
have came home to you sorry no you're good look i would also i'm not an attorney but i've been reporting enough i don't know if this applies necessarily but it probably does have you ever heard of prior bad acts do you know what that is which i don't rule 404 prior bad acts um or
Other crimes, wrongs, are evidence of a person's past actions, generally inadmissible in court to prove that they acted in conformity with the past behavior propensity, but often allowed for specific purposes like proving motive intent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's no motive or intent for the other thing because he was helping someone else out. He wasn't targeting the officers.
So I think that... A really good, smart attorney, not even an even so good attorney, would say prior bad acts, this doesn't apply. And so you're seeing evidence where they're trying to smear this man. Was it his best moment? Probably not. But is he frustrated and angry? Some people might like it. They're saying, man's out there protesting. But anyways, so that's how I feel about it.
I don't think it's relevant to this. And I think that, as you said, they're using it as a distraction. They're using, again, to try to smear a victim, just as in with Kyle Rittenhouse and with others, where they argue, where they're going to argue. They're arguing. Remember, this is their argument, right? That's going to be for Renee Nicole Good, is that,
We don't know how that officer felt in the moment. So they're going to say in the moment, in the moment. That's what's that's what that's what is important. Even the attorney here on this program, Monique Presley, said they're going to go with what's in the moment.
And so in the moment, that man did not deserve to be shot eight or nine times or however many times that they shot him when he was laying on the ground motionless. He did not deserve to lose his life for that. That's all I'm saying.
Listen, keep in mind, Don, you just pointed out the standard of evidence in the court of law. And you're correct, sir. The standard of evidence in the court of law is clearly defined. But guess what? The standard of evidence in the court of public opinion is much more loose.
The standard of evidence for the court of public opinion is one in which we have normalized through the police brutality of the Black, Brown, and Indigenous communities in these countries. We've allowed...
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