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The Don Lemon Show

HOT TOPICS | Did ICE Agents Just Use A 5 Year Old Child As BAIT?!

23 Jan 2026

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Transcript generated automatically by AI and may contain errors.

Chapter 1: What recent incident involving ICE and a child is discussed?

12.721 - 28.756 Don Lemon

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71.159 - 88.801 Don Lemon

That's zbiotics.com slash lemon. Hey, good morning, everybody. How are you? Look at Boomer back there sleeping. Boomer, are you going to say hi today? Hi, Boomer. What are you doing? He loves to lay back there. I love being with him. Hi, Boomy.

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Hi, baby.

90.844 - 109.762 Don Lemon

If I had a dog toy, he is such a boy. He loves to chase things. I'm not going to throw it. But if you threw a doggy toy back there, he's going to chase it. He's going to grab it. He's going to bring it back to me. And then Barkley just goes, eh, whatever. So anyway, welcome to the program, everybody. Good morning. Oh, I forgot. Let me turn. I forgot to turn one of my lights on.

109.902 - 139.233 Don Lemon

Stand by one second. I see your tail wagging. There we go. Anyways, the lighting person would be like, you didn't Anyway, so hello, everybody. Welcome to the program. It is Friday. I see New Orleans, Louisiana in the chat. Let me know where you are. Don't lie to me. Did you guys hit the thumbs up yet? Thank you for a member who says Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Thank you.

139.253 - 169.066 Don Lemon

Welcome to all of our new members. Yeah, what is it? I think that's what it is. Anyways, it's hard to tell. Welcome. I'm so happy that you're here. Peace, warmth, security to my Lemon Nation. I agree. Lemon Nation, hello, North Carolina. Hello, everyone. First order of business, California, in the house. Boomer is the vibe, someone says. So first order of business, you guys know what that is.

169.347 - 195.649 Don Lemon

That is to hit the thumbs up, hit the liked, because it affects the algorithm. More people become aware of our algorithm. content, our program, our conversation, our lives, because we're the live thing. We're blazing a live trail here. Someone said you look rested. I don't know if I look rested, but I did one of my favorite things last night, and you guys won't know what that is.

Chapter 2: How are communities reacting to ICE's actions?

696.201 - 722.324 Don Lemon

They didn't just take the child. They allegedly used him to try to get other people to come out of the house. They were using him as leverage, as a bartering tool. Now, I don't, again, that's according to the people on the ground. I don't need to dramatize any of that. If that is true, then that speaks for itself. They use this child as leverage. And even if you say ICE disputes that, okay, fine.

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722.885 - 750.837 Don Lemon

Strip it all the way down to the bare minimum. A five-year-old ended up in federal custody. For what? For a man coming home from work or picking up his kid from school. And then you call him an illegal alien. I don't know. I need to look more into it. But is he... And they keep using that. Let me just say this. They keep using that phrase, illegal alien.

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751.298 - 770.209 Don Lemon

And they say it as if it's like a pejorative. Can we take that phrase back like we did some other phrases or something? Can we make that phrase cool because they'll stop using it then? Because it's not illegal. They're undocumented. It's not like they're ET. They're not from Mars. They're from the same planet. They're not aliens, right?

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772.619 - 802.508 Don Lemon

But a five-year-old in federal custody should just, that should be okay. Stop right there. If that doesn't stop us anymore, then we're not debating immigration policy. We're not arguing about borders or paperwork. We're talking about who we are willing to get hurt. Who are we willing to get to get at or to hurt, to get hurt in the process?

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804.462 - 833.703 Don Lemon

In the name of law and order or picking up the, we are the immigrant free close the border nation. What are we doing? Is it that important? And before I go on, the whole thing about the whole illegal alien thing and I say they're undocumented immigrants. And at one point I would say illegal aliens, right?

833.723 - 859.798 Don Lemon

But this years and years ago, and then someone hit me to it, like they're not from the planet Mars or anything like that. But they use that as a pejorative because they think it sounds cute and it makes them sound more dangerous. Stop criminalizing immigrants. Stop criminalizing immigrants. Immigrants, legal, documented, whatever you wanna call them,

862.377 - 891.574 Don Lemon

They actually provide a service and they actually help to improve the economy. Because many of them, if not most of them, pay into a system for which they get nothing. Healthcare, no tax benefits, none of that. Because their employers need to identify them and they pay into a system. Many of them do. They provide services that Americans don't want to do.

892.178 - 908.398 Don Lemon

They take jobs that Americans don't want to do. There is a way to incorporate them into a system and not to make it so hard that they have to jump through hoops or backwards, spend all of their savings and that they don't have to do that. Yes, we need comprehensive immigration reform and we can do that.

909.813 - 932.867 Don Lemon

But I don't believe the way to do that is to chase a five-year-old's father as he is coming home from school or his job, someone who is just out there doing that. I don't believe that. And even if this person, if you think that they are somehow a danger or whatever, you know where they live because you're at his house or near his house. You don't have to do that.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of using a child as leverage in immigration enforcement?

1636.609 - 1660.57 Don Lemon

Slowly, incident by incident by incident by incident incident, door by door, that's when it starts to fail. And I keep coming back to this because I don't think that it's radical at all. I think it is very basic that five-year-olds should not be a part of enforcement operations. Wrong houses should not be treated like they're acceptable mistakes.

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1662.131 - 1682.103 Don Lemon

Fear should not be a strategy to make people afraid. And so that's not left, that's not right, that's human. So I wanna ask you something very serious, okay? If a five-year-old can be taken after preschool, then what is the line? Where do we draw the line?

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1682.864 - 1708.02 Don Lemon

If federal agents can go to the wrong house and then drag the wrong man or woman or person, whatever, child out, terrify the wrong family, then what is the line? Because somebody decided that that kid was acceptable collateral. Somebody decided that a busted down door was just a mistake. Somebody decided fear was an okay side effect. Somebody decided that

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1708.692 - 1735.844 Don Lemon

Because they just want their operation to proceed that they could ruin the life at this point of a five-year-old and of that family. And you are right, Grace Goss, you never forget how someone makes you feel. I want to know when that became normal. That we accept that in the United States, to do that to a kid and a family.

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1735.864 - 1767.853 Don Lemon

Because if your answer is, it doesn't affect me, let me tell you all something. That's how it always starts. It never starts at your front door. It starts somewhere else, with someone else. Until it doesn't. And if your answer is that it's just the law, then ask yourself, who is being protected by the law and who is being swallowed up by it? Five-year-olds don't get to argue their case.

1769.256 - 1788.63 Don Lemon

Families in the wrong house don't get a do-over. Kids don't forget fear just because adults call it policy. They don't forget that. So no, I am not confused about this and I'm not neutral about this fake both sides thing and what the other, wrong is wrong.

1788.67 - 1814.042 Don Lemon

Some things are objectively wrong and you have to, you've gotta bring it to light as a journalist and as American citizens, you've gotta fight for people to do the right thing if you see something is wrong. If this doesn't bother you, then you need to think about yourself. You need to do some serious self-reflection.

1814.803 - 1854.458 Don Lemon

Because once we decide that this is acceptable and the line doesn't move, that line disappears. And we are, I keep saying, in some very dangerous territory right now. We are in dangerous waters right now. We are allowing these things to happen. And we have people who don't care. They care about them. They are the cruelest people that I have seen in power in all of my years.

1856.942 - 1881.464 Don Lemon

And this will affect you, even if you don't think it is right now. When did we decide that this was okay? for people to do that. That's why people are protesting. That's why people are so angry. And this administration is more upset and wanting to investigate protesters than they are with investigating the death of a woman.

Chapter 4: What does the host say about the humanity of immigration enforcement?

2763.027 - 2805.473 Don Lemon

Vance. I love what this, someone made a painting of Liam Ramos. And can you put it up on the screen? Someone did a painting of him. Cute, right? Do we know who that's by, guys? I'm not sure. The name is on there, but I can't read it. I mean, because it's what, it's in cursive. But it looks like Don or Dan something. Oh, heartbreaking. I mean, just heartbreaking.

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2805.894 - 2823.103 Don Lemon

Just because you can do it, it doesn't mean that you have to do it. A five-year-old boy. So this is the Department of Homeland Security spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin. She's a piece of work. Tries to spin the Ramos story. Here it is.

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2823.758 - 2834.195 Unknown

This, of course, is the legacy media tries to invent a controversy accusing ICE of detaining a five-year-old boy. I mean, it just amazes me, Tricia, that you're dealing with all the real world.

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2834.295 - 2874.601 Don Lemon

Can you say the legacy media? What does Newsmax think they are? A blog? Independent? Newsmax. Wake up call. You're the legacy media. You operate just like any other. You operate just like CNN, MSNBC, Fox. You're like, you all are on TV. You are the legacy media. It's one of those, again, one of those phrases. It's like a catchphrase. Newsflash. Breaking news. Newsmax. You are the legacy media.

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2875.062 - 2890.915 Don Lemon

Now, you may not be part of the respected legacy media. You're biased and biased. But you don't hide it. So, you know, at least you are transparent about that. But go on.

2891.977 - 2901.91 Unknown

Challenges of this issue. And you got to spend time pushing back and trying to respond to fake narratives about ICE detaining a five-year-old boy when the facts just don't show it.

2902.717 - 2925.332 Don Lemon

No, the facts don't show it at all. And this is a horrific smear that we're seeing the mainstream media and politicians on the left, including Kamala Harris, take and run with. Who are they smearing specifically? What's the smear? Who are they smearing? Just by telling a story. And you are part of the administration. You have the bully pulpit.

2925.852 - 2949.282 Don Lemon

You can change and correct any narrative or speak out about it or whatever. You can change what's happening in Minnesota and elsewhere. You can change a lot of things. But rather than do that, you would like to get on television and try to make excuses and to what? Give red meat to your base about something. We don't like, most people would say, look, we don't like this.

2949.302 - 2965.838 Don Lemon

We don't want this to, most administrations would say, we don't, it's awful. And it should not have been handled that way. And we're so sorry that the agents handled it that way. It doesn't mean that we're going to stop our operations, but we're going to make sure that people do things humanely. And we're going to understand that there's every case is different.

Chapter 5: How does the host compare past and present immigration policies?

3797.186 - 3822.112 Don Lemon

No one came and got him. And with handcuffs and pictures. And he wasn't president at the time, so they could have. But this is the point because they want that picture and they want to embarrass her. Some of the most dangerous criminals and people who are accused of committing horrible acts are allowed to turn themselves in.

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3822.132 - 3854.509 Don Lemon

They don't want that because this is what they want because they want to be cruel and they want to show that this picture to their base. These are not Christians. These are not God-fearing people. These people are inhumane. Because, again, just like Donald Trump has a right to due process, so does this woman. And a right to her dignity, so does this woman. And so do the protesters.

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3861.214 - 3877.909 Don Lemon

This picture... Always with something with them because they are just not, as I said, serious people. And they don't appear to be that bright. This picture could undermine their whole case against this woman, Erin Parnas.

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3879.745 - 3899.933 Unknown

We have some serious news that you need to know about. The White House has just been caught doctoring a photo of a protester that Department of Justice officials have arrested and charged, one of the protesters at that Minneapolis church. Her name is Nakima Levy Armstrong. And well, this doctoring, everyone needs to see because it is extremely prejudicial for her court case.

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This is the image posted by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. That is Nakima Levy Armstrong being arrested by what appears to be a federal agent. Now look at this image posted by the White House. In this image, she is seemingly crying. But that image posted by the White House is the exact image posted by Noam, only doctoring her face.

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Presumably they use some type of AI generated content or whatever to do this. This is going to be brought up immediately in her criminal case, 100%. And her attorneys are 100% going to be arguing that the White House is actively prejudicing her by posting doctored images on their social media accounts for millions of people to see. You need to see this too. So spread the word and follow for more.

3948.146 - 3961.838 Don Lemon

That's all I have to say. If you want to, we haven't had any merch photos lately, have we? Do we have any Lemonheads, Lemonation? We just haven't looked for them. We've been so busy.

3961.858 - 3963.743 Unknown

Yeah, there's been a lot of emails coming in.

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