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Chapter 1: What is the mystery of God's love?
God's love is a mystery.
It's a mystery how you can love the unlovable, people who just hate you. God came into me and changed me. I didn't think about being good. I always said it's like God loved me when I hated him.
I saw a vision of myself standing on Mount Moriah where Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac. It was a virtual, real vision.
God has purpose in your life, but you're going to have to step into the true identity and understand who God really made you to be.
Sacrifice is a powerful principle in the things of God. That's why there could have been no salvation but by the sacrifice of your son Jesus. Fasting is sacrifice. God is the God of sacrifice.
Imagine fasting 50 days only on water. Is it possible? Well, of course it is, because my next guest did just that. Okay, we are going to discuss fasting from a spiritual perspective. Oh, we'll tap into the physical as well. I just can't help myself. But pain to purpose is... the name of this podcast and functioning in our God-given purpose. Do you think it affects your physical health?
Well, I know this. It affects your physical health and your spiritual health and your happiness because God designed us that way. We're going to dig in. My next guest is an expert there, and he is a pastor to the nations. This man pastors the world. He does. So I am honored to introduce you to him. Pastor... Ziga, thank you so much for being here. It's my honor and my privilege.
Yeah, and we have your amazing books, and I really want to dig into The Power of One, but I opened it up there. We're going to dig into all that, but I don't want to start there because there's a lot I don't know about your beginnings, right?
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Chapter 2: How does sacrifice relate to God's purpose?
This is what I know. Yeah. To get to where you are with the stature and the influence that you have, so many countries of the world you've influenced, so many amazing things you've done, the leadership role, even in the entrepreneurial world, you have touched all those spaces. You don't get there by accident. So you get there from a life, and what I say, from pain to purpose. Yeah.
But you get there from a life of, you know, things, incredible stories and things. So take me back to that. Like, where did you grow up? I mean, I want to know that first. Where did you grow up and what was that like?
Well, please, first, so thankful to be here. It's an honor to be with... It's an honor to have you here. Dr. Pumper, I mean, I... I'm so honored to see what God has done in your life and what you have done and what you have achieved and what you are yet to achieve. Because coming around you, there's such an energy of striving, energy to ascend, energy to excel, energy for heights.
And you just exhume that kind of energy capital. I call it energy capital. Capital, yeah, energy capital. Coming from you, that means a lot. You know, so... Thank you for this invitation. Yeah, so I was born in Africa, in Ghana, and to a father who was a British-trained businessman. He grew in Africa from a very, very poor home.
Chapter 3: What does fasting mean in a spiritual context?
He wore shoes for the first time at the age of nine. And he did not see his father. And his mother was poor. And he had to go to work in a farm 5 a.m. in the morning. And for about two hours to get the little coins to feed himself and to put himself in school. And he would walk barefooted almost about six miles a day to school, you know, self-educated, self-taught.
But he did so well, he got scholarships and to the best high school, College Motor School, which was built by the British, you know. And then from there he got another scholarship to go to England. to advance his education. So he was very well British-trained, British-taught, with the disciplines and principles which were not very common in the African context, you see.
So he studied ceramics in... Ceramics, like pottery. Pottery.
Yeah, and I do have one question. That seemed like... a unique thing or a privilege to be going to that school. How did he get into the, be able to get trained up by the British in the school? Well, I mean that evidently, I mean that affected him, which obviously affected you. How did that happen?
Yeah. The, the, the British, uh, in a colonized Ghana. So they had British scholarships for- But not every child got that opportunity. No, no, no, no. You should be a straight A student kind of a thing. So he must have done very well. I wasn't born then. So he did very well, but we know him to be a very smart man.
Yeah, so you got your smarts from your dad.
Maybe from your mom, too. Well, I'm humble. But one thing I knew about my father was besides being smart, he was a very hard worker. He was a man of determination. You got that from dad? Well, thanks. Then he always said to me that perseverance conquers difficulties. Perseverance conquers difficulties. You know, perseverance conquers difficulties.
So I had it in all my school books, perseverance conquers difficulties. And my father would always tell me that when the semester starts, you've already passed your test by the end of the semester at the beginning because your daily habits, your study routines tell the story of how it will end.
So if you failed your exam, you failed months before you wrote it based on the culture of engagement and the drive of your purpose. Anyway, so... I grew up in that family. Then he became a senator. He became a member. Oh, wow.
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Chapter 4: How did Pastor Ziga's upbringing influence his journey?
Okay, okay. Very poor. Ghana, I'm sure, is the same, right? So he was influential. He had influence. And obviously, to have a tennis court in his house, right? So he's done very well.
Yeah, he did very well, honestly. And another aspect of the favor of God on his life was that normally, to become a member of parliament or a senator, it's an elective You have to have elections and campaign. But he was not. He was appointed by the president. Which was one of the most unusual things in politics.
He gained this favor because of the man who he was.
Who he was. So he was appointed by the president. And guess what? The political party... of the president rose up against him, wrote all kinds of negative things against him because they said, well, he didn't stand elections. He's not the right party member. Many, many negatives. We call them anonymous letters. What? Anonymous. Anonymous. Anonymous. Anonymous letters. Okay. So then...
That government began to go Eastern, or communist, and was overthrown by the CIA. So there was this big coup, coup d'etat. What CIA? Central Intelligence Agency, American government. America?
Okay, yeah, I was just being sure.
Yeah, yeah. So the American government overthrew him, overthrew the government, because they were going very communist. And so my father was arrested, put into protective custody, but he was the first to be released. Why? Because when the new government came into power, they began to investigate all the parliamentarians, senators and government officials.
And they found this huge file of anonymous letters against him, you know, saying that, well, he didn't start elections. He's not the right guy. And that also he wasn't a genuine party member. That freedom in the end. Yeah. So that freedom at the end, so what should have destroyed him became his blessing. Because he wasn't obviously going along with their regime.
No. Yeah. So he wasn't agreeing on the things, and therefore they were going after him, trying to separate.
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Chapter 5: How did God reveal His plan for the nations through fasting?
Well, since then, we've covered a lot of Russia.
I mean, there was one time we drove... So when you go into these countries, you're doing... You're putting together seminars, if you will. Seminars and conferences. Conferences. And so people on the ground are helping you do that. And this became the heart of Grace for the Nations, right? Yes. And that's what God had in store the whole time. But you didn't even understand that vision.
Chapter 6: What personal experiences shaped the speaker's view on fasting?
No. All you knew was Grace for the Nations. What does that mean? What does that mean? And then he sends you to India. India. And he does whatever. How many conferences that you did. Scotland, you did all these conferences. And now here. So Grace for the Nations was being born. And now you had a vision of what Grace for the Nations actually meant.
So now at this point, we are available. We have not been to Russia for the past three, four years because of the war.
So how many countries now has God taken you to?
Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know.
A lot. I'm in Brazil.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of sacrifice in fasting?
We are very heavy in Brazil, South America, Africa.
Yeah. So many countries in Africa. So I said I'd gone to Zimbabwe a few times. Pastor Langton Gatsby, I was stunned that you knew him, because he made such an impression on me. I always tell the story once. He took me eight hours into the bush, and we met this tribe that never met someone like me. I was the only white guy there. I don't know, but you could tell that.
But I always tell the story there because the men weren't there. They were off hunting. And this tribe wasn't civilized. They had just come out of the mountain. And so this was the first time that they were like being civilized. They were putting a pastor, Gatsi was putting a pastor there. And I forget how that all went down. But so going in, we had a flat. And because it was in nasty bush.
I mean, it took us eight hours. Right.
Chapter 8: How can one person's purpose impact the world?
And I'm thinking, man, like, that's not good. Right. You know, what if we don't get out? So here we are days later. And I have a lot of stories here, spiritual stories. But days later, we're coming out. And I remember I'm up out of the Land Cruiser and there was this rock garden that we got the flat. I remember. I'm like, here's where we got the flat.
And I'm telling you, no sooner than I thought the thought, I hear it. I go, I think we have a flat. He goes, no, no, no, no, no. He's driving along. I'm like, I think we have a flat. We had a flat. Anyway, so I get up. I was flying out the next day. I was there for maybe two weeks, flying out the next day. So all that came to my mind was, oh my gosh, we're stranded. We're done. There's no cars.
There's nothing. We're out. I'm like, what are we going to do? I'm thinking, what possibly is going to happen to us? Being eaten by a lion. I had all these negative thoughts. Pastor Gadsey gets out. You know what he said? He said, hmm, I wonder what God has for us. Okay, so at that point, I was so humiliated. I was so disgusted with myself. I wanted to go off and just get eaten by a lion.
I didn't care. I wanted to die because I was so, I just had this glimpse of like how small I am and how big he was, right? So fast forward, like 200 yards up. I remember these little huts because I was impressed by these little mud huts, right? And he comes there and he's, you know, hello, hello. And this woman comes out. And her eyes got as big as saucers. And she says, Pastor Gatsi, right?
It's like whatever she was speaking in Swahili or whatever it was. I heard the Gatsi. And her eyes were like this. She had just traveled a week to get back from the conference that I was speaking at. And I was his conference, this big leadership conference in Zimbabwe. And she went all the way there just to see the man, okay? Now, her best friend... was in witchcraft.
And she was trying to bring her best friend there. And her best friend bailed at the last minute. Anyway, didn't know all that until later. But so this woman is like telling her husband to do this, do that, you know, go get her flat, right, to help, you know, fix the flat. And her kids, she was telling them to kill chickens. And anyways, it was like the president was here, right, in her house.
And so I'm sitting here thinking, wow, here we are. We're around this little fire area. And she starts talking about her friend in this whole story. And Pastor Gatsy says, you know, go get her. And so she leaves. And it probably took her an hour to come back. And I'm thinking, man, this is going to be exciting. The moment this woman came into our space... I was like, oh, whoa, I felt it.
I felt it, right? And I'm thinking, man, I can't wait to see this interaction, right? The man of God and this woman who is clearly possessed with some spirit. And By the way, that's why we were there. I'm telling you, this woman just traveled. I mean, God brings the man that she wanted her friend to go see to get delivered, right? I mean, her prayers, I just got goosebumps, right?
She brings the man to her house, takes our tire out just for this woman, right? I mean, I'm telling you, that's God. So, but here's the funny part of the story. So we're sitting there and I can't wait. And he goes, Dr. Pompa, God's given you the word. And I'm like, I've got nothing. I'm like, I don't have a word. I have nothing. I have no skin in this game right now.
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