157. Spark of Trust | Keiron McCammon
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Why does trust matter for individuals and society?
We're not here to admire the problem. There's plenty of reports that come out every year about the declining nature of trust. Spark of trust is about being the spark that can reignite trust in our societies, trust in our institutions, trust in our information environment. I want to talk to the builders, the doers. And the realization I had is there's great people out there. They're doing great work. It's just they don't get a lot of attention.
Welcome to the Duane Kerrigan Podcast, and I'm your host, Duane Kerrigan. With 35 years in business and close to 30 ventures across 12 industries, I've seen a lot. Amid the celebrity allure of entrepreneurship, many exceptional entrepreneurs remain shadowed. Here, I team up with these hidden talents to unveil their challenges and successes. Dive in with me to unearth entrepreneurial gems, learn from our experiences, and get educated. I have the extreme pleasure of introducing you to one of my great friends who's been on my podcast, Kieran McCammon, who is launching his own podcast. And this is the inaugural conversation that launches it. And I'm very honored to be here and do this on behalf of the Spark of Trust podcast.
Your host here that I'm interviewing is Kieran McCammon. I think this is an unbelievable topic. I'm legit super honored, not only because you're one of my dearest friends, but I think that what you're doing is work that needs to be done. You're embarking on a topic that I think is critical and functional to community, business, government, relationships, whether they're intimate, family, everything, at every level. And so trust has been decaying across the last several decades in all aspects. And I'm interested in understanding what it is that compelled you and what your goal is, what we're doing, where you think trust is, and then we'll take the conversation where it goes and let the universe give us grace.
Awesome. I appreciate it. And thank
you for... Being willing to be the host for my first episode, I thought it would be a good framing for the Spark of Trust podcast to at least have something where I get a chance to articulate a little bit of the rationale and the mission and purpose behind it. Yeah, I mean, as you said, I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that we are in a state of kind of declining and low levels of trust in from a historical perspective. And it's certainly not something that is recent or even can be solely blamed on the rise of social media and the polarization. But it certainly happened. It's part of the story for sure. But It really goes back 60 years. I mean, it goes back to the beginning, at least in the research that I've been doing over the last three or four years into this area, the beginning of the decline of trust with the breakdown of communities in circa the kind of 60s, late 60s going into the 70s.
why is this relevant or why am I passionate about this area? It sure as hell didn't start out about an issue of trust. I think we've spoken about this a few times through this multi-year journey, but it was back in 2022. I was just sitting down after an event that I'd been to and I was And I was just lamenting the rise of polarization, the breakdown of communication. I very much blamed it on the rise of social media and Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook. And for me, it was very personal because I did my first tech startups back in the early days of Web 2.0 before Facebook. Facebook was even out of the dorm rooms. We didn't even know what social media necessarily was. It was kind of, you know, MySpace was on the ascendant rise here and Facebook wasn't really anywhere to be seen.
And, you know, I was building my first startup, which was a precursor to what Pinterest is today. It was called Kaboodle. And we were very much in the space of, oh, This is amazing. We're connecting the world. You know, the 2000s just felt so incredible on that journey. And I was a technologist building, trying to figure out how you engage people and you get, you know, things that we used, we're starting to call viral loops about how you could, you know, get people.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why does trust matter for individuals and society?
0:00–9:51
2
How did the decline of trust begin in the 1960s and evolve over six decades?
9:51–20:42
3
What are the three “acts” of trust breakdown – community, institutions, and information?
20:42–29:58
4
How can community‑level initiatives rebuild trust locally?
29:58–40:01
5
Why do institutions and small businesses lose trust differently, and what can be done?
40:01–50:05
6
What role does technology play in accelerating misinformation and eroding trust?
50:05–1:00:13
7
What is the “Internet of Humans” and how could it restore trustworthy connections?
1:00:13–1:11:17
8
How can trustworthy AI and fiduciary duty reshape businesses and capital allocation?
1:11:17–1:21:21
Speakers
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