Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Emily Campagno, Richard Fowler, Charlie Hurt, and Tyrus. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. NewsAlert DNA results could be coming in at any moment in week three of the search for Nancy Guthrie.
The FBI has been testing a glove recovered about two miles from Nancy's home, which they think looks very similar to the gloves of the suspect you're seeing on your screen. I want to go to Alicia Acuna. She is on the ground in Tucson with an update. Hi, Alicia. Good morning. Afternoon. I saw you this morning, too.
I did talk to you this morning, yes. Good afternoon, Dana. The Pima County Sheriff has now officially eliminated members of the Guthrie family as suspects. They released a statement. It reads entirely, quote, to be clear, the Guthrie family, to include all siblings and spouses, has been cleared as possible suspects in this case.
The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious and are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel.
Chapter 2: What recent developments have emerged in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
The Guthrie family are victims, plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you, the media, to honor your profession and report with some sense of compassion and professionalism. Fox News reached out for more clarification over whether DNA helped clear the family. The sheriff tells Matt Finn, quote, I'm not going to go there. They are all victims and I will not stand quiet when they are re-victimized.
Today, the sheriff's department confirmed the clothing worn by the suspect in these images. may have been purchased at Walmart. They say it remains a possibility only. You'll recall last week the FBI said it believes the backpack worn by the suspect is a Walmart brand Ozark Trail hiker pack.
And we are also awaiting word from the FBI on whether DNA testing on a glove found two miles from Nancy Guthrie's house matches the DNA found inside her home. All this as Savannah Guthrie makes another appeal to whoever did this.
I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late. And you're not lost or alone. And it is never too late to do the right thing.
In a call with The New York Post, the president threatened if Nancy Guthrie is not found alive, he would want the Justice Department to seek the death penalty against whoever is convicted. Dana, Arizona is a death penalty state, so that could be on the table either way. We hope this is not a homicide case.
Dana? Absolutely. Alicia, thank you so much.
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Chapter 3: How has the FBI's investigation progressed regarding DNA evidence?
And Emily, if we could go to you. So since I was on this morning, then you were on at noon, and now here we are. It's like every few hours you get a little bit more of a tidbit of information. Alicia said that she had gone back to them asking, was it the DNA that ruled out the family? He says he's not going to comment. But what do you think?
Chapter 4: What statements have been made about the Guthrie family's involvement?
I thought it was an interesting and seemingly premature statement for the sheriff to make. I'm surprised that either at the outset he didn't say, please respect the family who are all victims in this and respect the investigation while we pursue all leads. I think now it seems as if he's making that point in the absence, however, of any kind of identification of who the actual abductor was.
So here we're sitting with the same dearth of information, but all of a sudden we know significantly, if this were true, that the families ruled out. That is a major conclusion to make. So if that is indeed true, it means that they're either no, they either know a lot more that they haven't shared with us, i.e. who the purpose or it's just a PR execution on their part.
I will say that just briefly for the DNA points that many are making afterwards. And including the investigators who are saying we're trying all avenues with DNA. Just remember that the default after the Golden State Killer in 2018, after that was used, the default was switched on these ancestry websites to not share your DNA with law enforcement. So people, I think, optimistically think...
that there's a huge chance that someone's DNA genetically or genealogically will be used, will be able to pursue a match. Overnight, it went from millions of profiles to thousands. So it's incumbent, if you believe in solving cold cases and new cases and coming to terms with the privacy issues surrounding these very narrowly tailored DNA acquisition attempts, then please,
Toggle off or toggle on, whatever it's called, so that you can be a part of it because this is an uphill battle for these investigators.
The sheriff hasn't done a press conference in a few days, but he did issue this statement today, Tyrus.
Yeah. The frustrating thing is we don't really get to focus so much on what's going on with the victim in this. It seems like we have been covering a story within a story. And it's, with all due respect... the unprofessional divide between the FBI and the sheriff's department. And I think today is the biggest glooming example of that.
Why wasn't there a joint statement with the FBI and the sheriff? Because this is a pretty big deal to rule out the family. I also have some issues with the verbiage. And words matter. And I know we've gone through this period where everyone just says things. But if the sheriff is to say at this time they are not people of interest, I think everyone's okay with that.
But it was such a personal, like he was protecting them, not just from the media. And you always have to read in between the lines. It was almost a shot, I felt, to the FBI as well. So I think the verbiage, the sheriff is just, I think the frustrating thing is both sides want the same result. They want this woman home. They want her safe.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of DNA testing in criminal investigations?
What was in the backpack when you're going into the residence? There are just so many baffling questions about all of it, which I think is both what makes it so difficult, but also probably what generates this level of interest in it and why you have a lot of... apparently, a lot of really nasty, gross people trying to capitalize off of it.
And my belief that the letters are probably... For the ransom. Yeah, yeah. They've seen an opportunity and they're trying to take advantage of it.
And I think that has been something that is interesting to watch over these past three weeks. So Savannah has kept people updated to the extent that she can. And she's not appealing to the kidnappers. In the latest video last night, it seemed like she was appealing just to... The person or the persons who are saying it's not too late to do the right thing.
I think that's right. And I really struggled with preparing for this topic because I think as a member of the media, we often get caught up in the mechanics of the investigation because of what we're trained to do. And sometimes we forget to sit with the reality that there is an 84-year-old woman missing. She's a mother. She's a grandmother.
And this family has to wake up with not knowing whether it's good news or it's bad news every day for the past couple of weeks.
If they're sleeping at all.
Yes, exactly. They're like, well, we just don't know. And as somebody who has both my parents alive and I watch them age every day, think about their vulnerability. I can't but think I can't think of how I would be in this situation. So right now, my heart goes out to the Guthrie family because this cannot be easy. I've met Savannah.
She's somebody who's part of the Washington press corps for a long time.
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Chapter 6: What appeals have been made by Savannah Guthrie regarding the case?
So she's been around Washington. And just to see the terror and the fear in her face as she's trying to find her mother, it's heartbreaking. And so I think sometimes, to your point, Charlie, like to separate our job as journalists versus there's a human element to that. And the human element is so, so, so real in this case more than any other.
And a huge amount of interest in it because... Of who it is. Yeah, not only just who it is, but also to think, like, who would take an 84-year-old woman?
That's right. And people who care, who genuinely care.
Yes, very much. All right, well, we will move on to the next topic and bring you any news on the Savannah Guthrie update as we have it. Coming up next, Obama, well, he's back attacking Democrats and casually dropping that aliens may be real.
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Chapter 7: How is the media's portrayal affecting the investigation?
The other thing about what he did is that I think he kind of helped save a lot of 2028 Democrats this weekend, even though we are going to talk about the Munich conference in a couple of blocks from now. When Obama talks or when any former president talks, it's going to blot out the sun.
And that is going to be the topic, which if I were AOC or Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom, I'd be relieved that Obama talked this weekend.
Well, all right, so carrying that further, though, he's very intentional with what he says, and he knows that what he says carries weight. So, indeed, was it a dig at Gavin Newsom about homelessness? Because I haven't heard him really talk about it until now, and that issue has been raging and festering.
Well, yeah. And going to Tyrus's point, if this is sort of the cool guy coming back, where was he? Where has he been? Where was he when it could have made a difference when cities were burning down around the country? It might have actually been helpful. I agree with you, Dana. I did sort of hear maybe sort of a quasi reaction. Wink at AOC talking about age.
She's the only one that would sort of really make the cut after that. I find it really annoying because, you know, Obama presented himself as he was going to be this new kind of politician. It turned out that when he got actually into office, what he turned into was a free stuff guy. which is the oldest stuff in the book and then real lecturesome. And but he was really good at this cool stuff.
And it worked and it worked great for him. The problem is it didn't work very well for his party. You had a thousand Democrats in the course of his eight years in office who lost who lost their elections. largely because of the weight that he was on the party. And then, of course, you look at this week, last couple of weeks, you know, he promised to fix health care.
Health care is a bigger disaster than, I mean, not that it was in great shakes when he passed Obamacare, but it isn't any better now. It is a rolling, hot, rolling disaster. And then you have last week where you have the Trump administration completely reverse what I would argue is the greatest disaster
power grab government power grab in government history the idea that somehow federal bureaucrats are allowed to regulate what we exhale carbon dioxide suddenly the government gets to regulate that and the Trump administration with the help from the Supreme Court that said this is insane comes and reverses that his legacy is getting absolutely shredded and I so I take it as like he's maybe kind of stepping out
to kind of start maybe to defend himself a little bit, almost like he wants to be the cool guy again. Don't forget about me. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: What are the perspectives on the sheriff's statements about suspects?
What did they do? They shut down TSA and FEMA, and then they hopped on planes and went to Europe. And they're not going to be in town this week. And so if you're somebody who works for TSA or if you work at FEMA, do you have to worry once again, like, am I going to get paid? What time should I show up? Do I have to start driving? Remember those stories? How did this end last time?
It was when the travel lines got so long and then the story started coming out of people who were living paycheck to paycheck who weren't able to pay their mortgage, as Emily told us about, and they were driving Uber or DoorDash so that they could try to make ends meet. The Democrats, once again, have lied to them because no one is going to abolish ICE.
Do you think President Trump is going to sign a bill that abolishes ICE? Absolutely not. And what the Democrats should have done is they should have said, look how we won in Minnesota. Look what we made them do. We pushed back. We won. They're leaving. And they should have taken that and run with it. Instead, they dig themselves a deeper hole. They just don't know it yet.
So it is all performative and they're not actually going to get anything done. But I do think it's interesting that that Chuck Schumer goes back to. And I give I do sort of give Chuck Schumer a little bit of grace because at least he's part of the Democrat Party, the party of Jim Crow. So maybe he knows what he's talking about, because this is not like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
And clearly I'm not a fashion mogul, but. What's up with the glasses, bro? I mean, those things. And the shadow casts a line right across his pupils. So you can't see his eye contact.
He looks like he's lying.
And I guess he is. Here's my thing. If you're going to say something as powerful as this is Jim Crow 2.0, where journalists, where is the follow up question? How so? Please explain to me, because if there is a shred of that, I will be the first because I don't think Jim Crow would let me on his TV show.
So if there's any Jim Crow and going around, I would like to be on the first line to know about it. But besides all of that. The whole point of it, and I had a meltdown on Gutfeld about us brothers being unable to get an ID. My question is to everyone who is having this thing, the first question these so-called journalists should ask when they come on there, sir, do you have a driver's license?
No. And when he says yes. And does your wife have a driver's license? Yes. Did she have the driver's license prior to when you guys met? Yes, she did. And then when you guys got married, she took your name, thankfully. And she went to the DMV for 20 minutes and did the fill-up paperwork, just like when you wanted your marriage license, you had to fill up paperwork.
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