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Chapter 1: What stories do food and culture tell about identity?
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Picture a busy restaurant. Every table is taken, but across the room, sitting at a table in the corner, is someone who stands out from the crowd. A man with a moustache and his hair swept back. The year is 1937, it's the centre of Madrid, civil war is underway, and he is a reporter. The writer, eating lunch famously, enjoys bullfighting, smoking, drinking, and eating.
And the restaurant he's dining at is a place frequented by Republicans and anarchists. What Ernest Hemingway ate and drank that day, no one knows. But what's beyond doubt is his host, the founder of this restaurant called the Parabera, lived a life as extraordinary as Hemingway's. Different, but extraordinary.
Her name was Maria Mestaller Echagüe and she was from Bilbao. She was a mother of 11 in the 30s in Spain, 1930s. She was also a chef, but she was also an entrepreneur because she had two restaurants, one in Bilbao And as well as the children, the cooking and the restaurants, Maria Mestalla de Echegue had a pen name. The Marquise of Paraveres was her writing name.
And she wrote the first culinary encyclopedia in Spain that all Spanish chefs have. So very often there is a stereotype, which is not true at all, that there is no female chefs in haute cuisine because it's too demanding, it's too tough. And actually she is the proof that it's not real, it's not true. You know, this is a mantra that is not true because...
She was a mother, she was a wife, she was an entrepreneur, she was a writer. So these ladies are role models. This is why we took the name of Parabere.
Telling the story of Maria Mestalla is journalist Maria Canabel, who, drawing on the inspiration of this extraordinary woman from a century ago, created an event that celebrates contemporary women working in food. Parabera Forum.
At the beginning,
Held each year in a different city around the world, the Forum brings hundreds of women together, chefs, farmers, producers, writers and more. They gather to share experiences, to learn and, in the spirit of the Marquise, tell inspirational stories. Each edition has a theme aimed at reflecting some of the big issues of our times, which, for most of us right now, feel daunting.
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Chapter 2: How is indigenous Australian cuisine being preserved?
And this is a food culture based on some of the richest sources of edible biodiversity in the world.
Across Australia, we have six and a half thousand foods that are unique to Australia. Six and a half thousand, which is huge when you think about it. They're the only ones that have been documented. We know that there's far more as mob as community. And yet we don't find a fraction of those in our grocery stores, in our marketplace. They're not grown by farmers.
We don't have them at our farmers markets. In fact, less than 20 have been approved by the Australian New Zealand Food Standards for greater human consumption, and only 13 have been identified for commercial viability. I mean, what a loss. You know, some of the most culturally rich foods, some of the most nutrient-dense foods on the planet, and yet we're not using them as a natural resource.
So we've got a long way to go.
Indigenous food knowledge all around the world is fragile, as are the ecosystems on which they're based, much of which is down to the history of colonialism. And in Mindy's talk, she explained this had also been the case since the first Europeans settled in Australia 250 years ago.
I mean, it was a very powerful force that happened, you know, through colonization. Of course, we were dispossessed from our land, but our languages were stopped. We were taken off country. And of course, once you take community off country, you lose access to your sovereign foods. you know, our people had this incredibly nutrient-dense, abundant diet.
We were eating up to, you know, 80% of our diet was actually from a plant-based source and then the rest was supplemented by animal. But when we were colonized, of course, up in my country, we had this big, beautiful, big scrub. the remnant of Gondwana, the original forest of the world.
Now with that big scrub, when colonization came through, of course we had these ancient trees, these beautiful ancient trees, some 800 years old, perfect for timber. So the clearing of our land was actually quite devastating to our people because
most of our native foods that existed within that big beautiful big scrub became almost completely decimated and of course when we're looking at food security when we're looking at wellness and health and nutrition in a modern world i mean our native foods hold so many the answers to these questions and these issues and you know challenges that we're facing as a global community
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Chapter 3: What challenges do Palestinian farmers face regarding olive oil?
We're completely overlooking the foods that have been here and thrive in our environmental conditions. So for me, it went from cooking these foods to educating my guests and then realizing, wow, we need systems change. How do I engage with our community? How do I get more First Nations growers into this space?
How do we increase our representation as growers, as knowledge holders, as custodians of the lands? How do we become food manufacturers and actually connect our country, our culture and our knowledge to these foods? Because without us, These are merely ingredients. And of course, when you include First Nations communities in this, there's so much more.
Bundjalung woman Mindy Woods with some of the ideas and stories from her talk. Another presentation, which highlighted efforts to protect traditional food routes, involved a group of women from Catalonia.
And they introduced their story with a short film.
The film shows a sequence of women in their kitchens, each is in their 70s, and they're talking directly at the camera, describing dishes, ingredients and recipes from their towns and villages in Catalonia.
It's all part of a project to document and preserve food knowledge that's disappearing.
Gastro Savia is an ambitious project set up to reach a younger generation and hopefully inspire them to start cooking. Not only to save traditions, but also improve their health and their finances. All considered to be so important that it's funded by the regional government.
My name is Laura Ruana, from the government of Catalonia. The name of the project is Gastrosabias. It's a combination of two words, two Catalan words, from gastro, from gastronomy, and from sabias, clever people, who also means old woman in Catalan.
And I think when we were hearing the talk, this was also described as wise women. When and why did this begin? What was the problem?
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Chapter 4: How does food connect to trauma and healing in Ukrainian culture?
Because it's not so expensive if you're cooking at home. And it's possible, the same food, it's possible to cook in the night or to heat with the micro.
Gastro-savvy teacher Luisa on the old-school art of batch cooking and a modern method of reheating by microwave.
Do you remember when we exchanged marks for euros and everyone counted six times? I remember, there's plenty of time for that. Do you remember because this terrace has been dealt with last? How old do you think I am? Olisko kesärempan aika? Käsittele terassi säännöllisesti Tikkurilan Valtti plus terassiöljyllä. Ja se kestää kauniina vuosikymmenestä toiseen.
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Also following the project is Parabera Forum founder Maria Canabal.
There is a lot of oral tradition, actually. And also because the non-ability to write of some people. And these traditional recipes, you know, in the past, the chef, when they have a recipe, they never, ever share it, you know. And I think it was like a secret, secret ingredient, secret quantities.
And actually, the only way to don't lose any kind of knowledge, not only the recipes, is to share it. Otherwise, it will be lost. And so there are all these ancestral recipes that there is nothing written. There's an oral transmission from women to women. Now they have written all of them. They have record videos.
And it's the way to preserve in a very globalized world, to preserve this knowledge for future generations. But it's extremely interesting to see that this ancestral history now is record for future generations. The same way we have seeds banks, now we have recipe banks.
From Catalonia we moved to the West Bank and a presentation at the Forum which brought to life a story which in recent months has been making news with increasing regularity.
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Chapter 5: What role do women play in preserving culinary traditions?
So people cannot afford that. People change the olive oil to the other oil.
To seed oils. Yeah. Yeah. And so what was every day is now a real luxury. It's a luxury. And what was part of the culture is now becoming a rarity.
This has now escalated into open confrontation between settlers and local Palestinians, with more people coming to join the fight on either side. Locals say this is happening almost every day now. And these are the tactics settlers are using to take the land field by field.
Maria Cannibal.
I was very touched by Fida actually when she said that now in Palestine they don't have olive oil, they have seeds oil and this is making a havoc.
You're still moved by that story. Take your time, Maria. Thank you.
Sorry, because, you know, in my house, one liter of olive oil is 15 days, you know. We drink it. And it's like, it's really a punishment to give you seed oil for these people. So it's traumatic. I'm not Palestinian, and look at me. So I can't imagine for them. So there is a lot of ways to punish people, a lot. And it's not only hunger.
It's also privating you of your identity and your taste, which is olive oil.
From violence in the West Bank to another of Parabera's presentations, which also talked of conflict, this time in the Amazon.
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Chapter 6: How can food be a tool for social change?
We need to give them more visibility, more empowerment. And they need money to live, like all of us. So this type of offerings, the gastronomy offer, is definitely the most sustainable one. And definitely making sure that these communities are actually getting paid and they're getting a decent living. There's no other way.
Karina Soto on using food to restore a part of the Amazon and an indigenous food culture. Our last story also features a war and unfortunately one that shows no sign of ending soon. It's Ukraine's and the speaker was the cook and writer Olya Hercules.
When Maria sent me the topic for this year's forum, Roots and Roads, I nearly fell off my chair. I'd just written my family memoir called Strong Roots. The memoir spans 100 years of my family history, and I was hoping to tell a Ukrainian story through the lens of a family. Because we see the war and we see the headlines and we see news from this almost kind of like a bit of a non-personal gaze.
And I really wanted people to learn our personal stories and to really feel us and to understand us and hopefully to keep supporting us. It's where we are now in the fourth year of this terrible war. When I think of roots, I think of roots that are ancestors deep in the black soil. And I think of the young leaves of my children. I have two boys. One is 14, Sasha, and one is six, Wilfred.
And rootedness is safety, it's stability, right? It's being rooted in to a place where you feel safe. You have a home, you have your garden. To Ukrainians, gardens are incredibly important. And hence, when I think of roots, I think of food. I think of literal edible roots. Of course, I think of beetroot. That's the first, probably, image that comes into my head. And then we move to roads.
And to be honest with you, the first association, the first thing that I feel when I hear roads is actually displacement and exile. The other day, I realized that not one generation of my family has escaped this possession, So losing your home and everything that you own, deportation or war. Not one generation. And my parents and my extended family are going through that again.
On stage, Olya told a story that explored 100 years of her family's roots and also the roads she and previous generations had taken, sometimes through choice, more often because of displacement. Weaving through her story was food. And there are recipes that Olya cooks today and which feature in her cookbooks that have survived against all odds.
In fact, when you hear her family story, it seems miraculous that they have survived. Take a borscht recipe she inherited from her maternal grandmother, Lucia, who was born in 1921 during one of the many famines instigated by the Soviet regime.
She was a daughter of Moisei, who was a wheat farmer and who also had watermelon fields. So in the south of Ukraine, we are the land of watermelons.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of sharing ancestral recipes?
I wanted to cook them borscht for them to smell the, you know, smells of home and to hear this kind of bubbling and to see the condensation on the windows. And then, you know, it made it so much easier for us to talk about all the difficult things. you know, what do roots mean to us?
It can be an abstract thing, you know, it can be a metaphysical thing, it can be roots in terms of our connection to our ancestors, but it's also about food, you know, and for Ukrainians, all of those roots are entangled in the most kind of natural way, in a way, in the most organic way. So my grandmother Lucia,
Who I don't think that my mom or I would have been the cooks that we are without her and without her influence. She taught my mom how to make this borscht that I'm cooking for you today when my mom was seven years old. And then my mom taught me and today I'm making it for you. And of course, it's full of root vegetables as well.
there's a beetroot and carrots and and potatoes and um it's a life-giving thing borscht it um it connects us to our roots and it gives us strength my as my mom says uh borscht is part of our dna it's so hearty it's good it's really full of flavor And I joke sometimes, I say, you know, in Asian countries, people say, have you eaten rice today to say hello?
And I joke that in Ukraine, we would say something like, have you eaten borscht this week? At least for us in my family, we ate it all the time, you know, and it becomes better after each day.
If borscht is in Olya's DNA, so is the need to bring people together over food, just as Lucia did.
It was extremely important for her that everyone was together as well because of everything that she's been through and because of the way that she survived. You know, she also had all of these siblings. She knew the value and importance of getting together. And how do you weave? How do you get that family close? How do you keep those siblings close? By getting together, by talking and by eating.
And all of that together, it almost has a healing power, I believe.
In her talk on Roots and Roads and in her memoir, Food Looms Large, there are plenty of references to borscht and other dishes. And perhaps because of that, it adds insights you rarely get from news stories, that what has been and is still unfolding are millions of personal human tragedies, along with millions of individual acts of resilience.
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Chapter 8: How do personal stories shape our understanding of food and conflict?
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