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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Dude, this is a juicy book. It is. I'm like, did you guys go this deep on impulsive? No. You would have said I'm going to be married to Dr. Stepnick one day. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. He was your kid's doctor? Did you think I was going to dive this deep? Because I could tone it back. I just wanted to know.
You know, people can question why I made the choices I made. These are why.
Welcome back to The George Jango Show, guys. I'm here with my second mother. Her name is Pam. I reached out to Logan and I said, hey, man, is this okay? I reached out to him. I'm like, great. You're good with it? He goes, yes. I'm like, first question, how was it raising a gay son? And then he answered back, he said, she's been dying to answer that about Jake for a long time.
Oh, I knew he was going to turn it. Yeah, me too. I totally knew he was going to turn it over.
It was just me trying to test the waters, you know, see if everybody's okay with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you wrote a book? I did. Dude, how did that, like, come about? Like, were you sitting around being like, something that I tell these people?
Yes, somebody has to tell these people what to say and do and save the world from social media, you know, the internet fame. And I'm the only one that could do it. So I did it. Literally, I didn't realize this until I looked back in my phone. I have been taking notes since 2019.
I started writing 2022 doing voice recordings and making all my, you know, like what I would do, but I had no idea how to do it. And so I just, I had people always coming up to me like, how did you do it? What did you do? What did you do different? I'm like, I don't know. God just blessed me. That's what my answer really is. But,
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Chapter 2: Why did she decide to write a book?
When you were like, okay, I'm going to write this book, what was the main function of this book? Like if somebody wants to buy this book, what are they going to walk away with? Like what is the topics that you get into?
Right. So two questions in there, and I'll ask the question back to you. Why do you think I named it that?
I'm assuming clickbait because we're in this game.
Bravo. Okay. And who helped me come up with that?
For sure, Jake and Logan. For sure. I actually just reached out to them about the thing they did with Bradley Martin. Yes. Genius.
Yeah.
It's in his blood.
Crazy. It's totally in his blood. And they didn't feel uncomfortable, just like their mom. Well, you are going to, I'm going to cry again. We haven't even got started. You are going to love this because I was going to name the book entirely different from something you taught me. It was going to be rule number one, don't read the comments. Amen.
Do you remember, and you may or may not, when I made a video about a certain blonde and a certain Asian boy who wrote a disc track against Jake? Yeah. And so then I made a vlog. And my retaliation at the end was, that is irrelevant. I didn't say content, I said their song is irrelevant. You would have thought that I stabbed someone to death the way I got attacked in the comments.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did she face while writing her book?
Scandals. Thank you. Scandals. I understood it more then, I think. So I just didn't really pay attention to it. We had other things to worry about.
Who were you worried about more? Jake, behind the scenes, I feel like has more of like a softer heart. Like he really, he takes the energy of the room. Logan's like, I am the energy of the room. You guys are changing like as soon as I react. Which one were you worried about more?
Always, Jake. Yeah, right? Always. From the time he was little. I mean, he came by that name, Problem Child. He named himself that, but it's very appropriate. You know, I said he was born colicky. He still is.
You know what I'm saying?
But you are absolutely right. He's got a huge heart. Yeah, he... Big caretaker, wants to help everybody. Did that water away? Still, he does it to this day. That's good. Always helping everyone. And, you know, just a huge heart. And I love to see it.
What was the hardest part? Like, you know, when you're writing, you relive it, especially when they're like poking at you and asking you and and opening up that wound. And then you're like, man, dude, I kind of buried this. And then you start remembering things that you kind of like put back there. Yes. What was like when you were writing it, you like kept crying while you're writing.
You're like, I don't even know if I could finish this. I don't even know if I want to finish this.
Right. It wasn't really, I think some of it was about the divorce a little bit and how the kids were affected. Not how I was affected. I wasn't going to cry about that again. It was how they were affected. That's so funny. How it affected them today.
Yeah.
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Chapter 4: How did her past experiences shape her parenting style?
Let's call in Greg real quick. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Let's... Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I didn't look twice at David ever, like in any way like that at all.
So he said you left for 28 days. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
I moved out of the house into our mutually agreed upon rental property. Like we agreed I would move in there.
Yeah. Oh, so, okay.
Where he got the 29 days was... You're just taking some space. No. I did not go anywhere. Oh, you didn't even go. I left. Yeah. We shared the kids week to week. There was no space in between.
Okay.
He had one week on, I had one week on, one week on, one week on. From the very beginning, he begged me to share parenting. I did not want to. I got trapped in his lawyer's office, being lambasted by he and his lawyer to do shared parenting. Look, everybody does it. And I felt so bad for Greg that I agreed.
How come he didn't have a choice? How come I didn't? How come he doesn't have a choice? I know if you didn't want to do that, I'm new to this, but why do you have the full right to custody? Because I was the caretaker mostly.
He was working all the time.
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Chapter 5: What were the kids' perspectives on their mom's past decisions?
Like, what did he talk about? What was your perspective? What did he talk about? When you said he went on camera on HBO. Oh.
And what was his perspective of it? His perspective was like, he told the kids, your mom is off having this affair with somebody who's married, a married man. And she left us for 29 days. And I took care of the kids. That is so not true. And financially, guess who took care of the kids? David Stepnick, my husband. What did your kids find out about that?
I don't know when they found out about that.
Chapter 6: How did the family dynamics change after the divorce?
I never talked about it with them.
I think it's, you know, it's interesting because you shared that moment with Jake and how he went to Nick. And, you know, when you're a kid, your perspective of life is so incredibly different and you believe what you are told, right? What you're just, what's so simple in front of you. And then as you grow up, you're really able to study the people around you.
And it's just like all new eyes, you know, they see you in all new eyes, they see their father in all new eyes. And so that must feel like a breath of fresh air for you to feel like, okay, you actually understand
You know, my family told me it would happen. They knew it because they know who I am and they know who Greg is. They totally knew. And they've like you said, they see it when they were little and Greg was pounding into them like he pounded into them that your mom abandoned us.
And I definitely believe that Jake took that more to heart and it affected him differently than Logan, who can blow things off, like you've said. I think it affected him. I'm sure it did.
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Chapter 7: What lessons does she share about parenting in the digital age?
He won't admit it yet. Jake thinks it did too.
I'm starting to realize that Logan is, he's so good at telling a story and getting people to believe it that he's able to do that with himself. And I think... It could be a protective mechanism. Oh, 100% it is.
Where Jake just is so emotional, he just keeps it buried and then it comes out.
Yeah, yeah.
you see it maybe in his relationships where, you know, that it's scary. Like maybe this could happen to me because Greg would tell them, like a woman will always just leave you and she could do that. Like really, really difficult stuff. When I say torture, I mean verbal torture. And I believe that Like you said, Shawna, that kids hear it over and over and over, and I didn't say a word.
I never said anything to Jake and Logan in those young, formative years. What was I going to say? I knew it wasn't right to do that. It's psychological warfare.
So, OK, we knew about this side of Greg. We get married to Greg. We have a family, Greg. And then you're like, hey, you know what? Like this is going in a direction that I don't see it being good. I think it's better for me to leave now than watch my kids grow up looking at me as a punching bag. You separate. You say that thing. He says this thing. You now come out with a book. He's on HBO.
Is there a season two of this show? There should be. And it would probably feature Greg because he is a very polarizing... Isn't he a person on the show?
No, I meant Greg would be the main character.
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Chapter 8: How does she define the relationship between faith and manifestation?
He's softer around her.
Yeah.
But in general, no.
They're very hardworking. Do you think that they get it from because the GP beat down growing up?
Like, hey, you know, Greg does work hard and they saw it like he had to like he had to work hard to survive.
Yeah.
But I liked that about Greg. My family are hard workers.
Yeah.
My parents, my mom was a vice president of a corporation. My dad worked his ass off doing building boats and accident reconstruction and working really, really hard on my whole family's academia. They learned it by seeing everything. But they spent a lot of time with Greg helping him work. Does that make sense?
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