Mursal Saiq - Escaping War-Torn Afghanistan - Fighting Racism in Kitchens & Gordon Ramsay’s “Authenticity” Problem!
episodePreviously titled “Mursal Saiq - Gordon Ramsay’s “Authenticity” Problem, Fighting Racism in Kitchens & Escaping War-Torn Afghanistan” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 13, 2026
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How did Mursal's childhood in war‑torn Afghanistan shape her journey to becoming a chef?
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Right, well ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Meets and Plast brought to you by the greatest POS system in the world, Blink. Um and we're joined by British Afghan Chef, hospitality operator, creator consultant, campaigner, a genius. A genius who's used food to explore migration identity, racial inclusion. She co-founded Coupint with a beautiful man called Joshua Moroni, who uh is he on holiday? Maybe he is, I don't know where he's gone.
No, he burned his hand yesterday. So he's actually co opening.
Oh Jesus. Anyway, the business combines incredible.
Another day in paradise, boys. Yeah, come on. Another day. Our thoughts go
out to you, John. I hope he's alright. Oh he's
all right, he's all right. Yeah, we're tough, we're tough. Should have seen my thigh burn from the rice if during Big Grin, it was that big. Well, come on. They're scars, they're cool. We are in
Latimer. Uh oh what's the area called? What's this fucking area called? Latimer Road. Yeah, he's Latimer Road. We're in Latimer Road.
We're on Bramley Road, just off Latimer. Um, but we're just at the end of Notting Hill. So we're in a very unique place to West London. It's a
beautiful smoke. We're staring at a two-metre smoker called Betty. It's a gorgeous lady.
Thank you, she's curvy, isn't she?
She yeah, she's beautiful. And we're joined by just the wonderful missile and and and you're running an Afghan Texan barbecue. Now for a lot of listeners thinking like, What's that mean? You've just bought some food out. It looks absolutely incredible. But take us through what it does mean and a and the dishes.
Okay. Well I'm gonna start with this one because this is the these two sum up cue points. This is um cobli palau, which is Afghanistan's national dish based after the city Kabul Kabli. The it's got an Afghan recipe traditional to its rice, to its yogurt, to its Um brines, but the difference with our kobli palau is we put it in the pit. Right. So we smoke the lamb shank in the pit.
Oh.
We also typically um in Afghanistan, Iran, Tajikstan, we use onion brines rather than wet French brines and American brines. Right. So that means I've I mince my onion, my cardamom, my black lime, my salt and my sumac, and I brine my meat and score it. I'd usually do that in a pressure cooker in Afghanistan. I pop that in the pit. Oh. Do you know what that does to the onion and the oil and the fat? It turns into this roux that then gets over your rice, which you've got hit it. And it's just little bits of lamb and fat all together. That was Jay Rayner's favourite when he had it.
Yeah, cool.
He was like love that and then with the Torshi pickles, which Toshi in my language, farsi means sour tart. Yeah. So we typically get root vegetables and pickle 'em in France. You guys love your cucumbers. Yeah, yeah. You know, so we mix that. That's that. And then this is a steak with the Texas nan. So we've replaced the Texas toast of the nun with a chili um garlic compound butter that we make in house, the jalapeno jam, we make everything in house except our brioche buns.
Where do they come from?
Bullroads bakery.
Okay, well we'll let that. I can't
make brioche pants, I can't. I make non fresh daily, I smoke the meats, I make the sauces, we make the pickles, we make the f bloody butter and the salts. Yeah. We make our own fucking salts. Really? Yeah. T so we can control the flavour profile. You know this Betty? Yeah. I've had her for ten years. Yeah. Uh Fatima, the Asado used to be attached to her, welded her off two months ago to come into here. Nice put Fatima there so we could do South American style asado.
Cool. And
Betty's low and slow American style. Are they doing
okay being separated?
Oh, do you know what? They love it. I think that's what they needed. Really? Yeah. So they
become toxic. She
gets to do steaks and wagyu and Betty was holding her back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? She was just used for Betty's nans. Now she's her own person.
It's like when you see those conjoined twins and they're finally separated after twenty years.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did Mursal's childhood in war‑torn Afghanistan shape her journey to becoming a chef?
0:08–7:21
2
What challenges did she face when she arrived in the UK as a refugee and how did she rebuild her life?
7:21–16:24
3
How did Mursal create Afghan‑Texan barbecue and what is the story behind her signature dishes?
16:24–24:20
4
Why does Mursal argue that the word ‘authentic’ is harmful in the culinary world?
24:20–33:02
5
How does she confront racism and exclusion within the hospitality industry?
33:02–40:48
6
What changes does she propose for Michelin‑rated restaurants and the broader food scene?
40:48–49:31
7
How does Mursal envision inclusive catering and cultural preservation through her menus?
49:31–54:55
8
What are Mursal’s future plans for expanding her culinary projects and experiences?
54:55–1:01:31
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