The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

S4 Ep46: Kyle Sinckler | "I let the country down"

18 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Tins welcome Kyle Sinckler and Jonny May to GBR HQ for the last studio show of the season. Both players can't wait to play for the Barbaria...

S4 Ep45: Hask Is Back!

11 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Tins are reunited with the Hask. Its our original combo - the ready salted of pods.  Hask bleeds green, black and yellow following Northam...

S4 Ep44: Finals and Farewells

04 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s show Alex, Tins and Jonny May are joined by Tom Wood who captained Northampton to Premiership glory 10 years ago.  We preview highl...

S4 Ep43: Ben Earl - England's High Flyer

29 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Alex, Tins and Jonny May are joined for a Bank Holiday episode by the Saracens and England flanker Ben Earl.  The foursome talk golf, snooker, recov...

S4 Ep42: The Champions Cup Final Preview

22 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Alex, Tins and Will Greenwood are together to discuss the Investec Champions Cup Final between Toulouse and Leinster - but why has Will got his guns o...

S4 Ep41: LIV Rugby - Coming Soon?

15 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s show we are joined by Mark Foster, a former Gloucester and Exeter Chiefs winger.  He is now Senior Vice President of Finance at LIV ...

S4 Ep40: Rugby’s Greatest Unions: Gethin Jenkins & Adam Jones

07 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Gethin Jenkins ‘Melon’ and Adam Jones ‘Bomb’ are 2 modern greats. Both test centurions who won 3 Six Nations Grandslams together for Wales. Th...

S4 Ep39: Champions Cup Semi-Finals Preview

01 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Alex Payne is joined by Ben Kayser, Shane Horgan and Will Greenwood to preview one of the biggest weekend’s in the rugby calendar. It’s the Invest...

S4 Ep38: Jonny May, Genge, Hask - Unfiltered

23 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s show James Haskell is joined by his former England Rugby teammates Jonny May and Ellis Genge.  Jonny gives an update on his prepara...

S4 Ep37: England Head Coach Steve Borthwick

16 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The England head coach Steve Borthwick joins Payno and Hask where the guys find out about the man behind the badge. We hear of how his experiences as ...

S4 Ep36: Rugby's Biggest Party - Hong Kong SVNS

10 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Good, The Bad & The Rugby record a special podcast from the greatest party in rugby - the Hong Kong Sevens. Alex, Hask and Tins are joined by spec...

S4 Ep35: Alex Gray - Gladiators, NFL & Me

02 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hask is joined in studio by his former Stade Francais teammate Ollie Phillips to help interview Alex Gray aka Apollo from Gladiators. Alex has had a...

S4 Ep34: Rugby’s Greatest Unions: Guscott & Carling

27 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

“Rugby’s Greatest Unions” returns with England's formidable centre pairing of Jeremy Guscott and Will Carling. Starting 44 times together, betwe...

S4 Ep33: The GBR Six Nations Debrief

20 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Alex, Hask and Tins look back on the 2024 Six Nations. Congratulations to Ireland who claimed back-to-back titles, and Italy who had their best ever t...

S4 Ep32: My Goodness! My Guinness Six Nations!

13 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ben Kayser joins Payno, Hask & Tins to reflect on a remarkable weekend of Six Nations rugby. Plus we look ahead to Super Saturday and England's big ga...

S4 Ep31: England v Ireland - A Deep Dive

06 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Will Greenwood & Shane Horgan join Alex Payne for an epic preview of England v Ireland. Our two esteemed guests talk through their memories of the fix...

S4 Ep30: Jonny May and the English Examination

28 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jonny May joins Payno and Tins for a review of Calcutta Cup. Was England's loss at Murrayfield a step forward for Steve Borthwick's team? Season 4 is...

S4 Ep29: Six Nations - Round 3 Preview

21 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It’s a big week for the home nations with Scotland v England & Ireland v Wales. How do Scotland find consistency?  How do England find another lev...

S4 Ep28: Rugby’s Greatest Unions: Armstrong & Chalmers

14 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

This week we have a first our first episode of “Rugby’s Greatest Unions” where we put together the best playing partnerships that our game has s...

S4 Ep27: Jonny May Tours Twickenham

07 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jonny May joins Payno, Hask and Tins in the England Changing Room at Twickenham. Our trio of former England Internationals take you behind the scenes ...

S4 Ep26: Live from London... The Six Nations Preview

31 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

This week's Six Nations Preview takes place at the sold out Underbelly Boulevard Theatre in Soho. Payno, Hask and Tins are joined by an all-star cast...

S4 Ep25: Just News: England Squad & More

24 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Season 4 is sponsored by Continental Tyres. In the headlines this week: The England squad has been named, we’ll pick a XV for Italy and react to th...

S4 Ep24: Six Nations & Netflix

17 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Tins are joined in by James Gay-Rees, the BAFTA, Emmy, & Academy Award Winning Producer. The mastermind behind F1’s incredibly successfu...

S4 Ep23: Jonny May Returns

10 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Back by popular demand, Jonny May returns to the GBR studio. Will the 2nd album prove to be a hit with the father-in-law? Season 4 is sponsored by Co...

S4 Ep22: Premiership North v Premiership South

03 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hask and Tins go head-to-head in a game of fantasy rugby. Who would win a match between Premiership North and Premiership South? Ford v Smith, Care v ...

S4 Ep21: Jacques Nienaber Special

27 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This week Elma Smit and Bob Skinstad welcome one of, if not the best coach in the world - Jacques Nienaber. We relive South Africa's glory at the 2023...

S4 Ep20: Christmas Special 2023

20 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno, Hask and Tins come bearing gifts and answer your 12 q’s of Christmas. How much was their first pro contact worth? Who would play Tins in The ...

S4 Ep19: Finn "The Muscle" Russell

13 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s pod we have Christmas jumpers, a roaring fire and one of the biggest stars in the game… Bath, Scotland and Lions fly-half Finn Russ...

S4 Ep18: Jonny May Unleashed

06 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno, Hask & Tins are joined by Jonny May, England’s most prolific try scorer of the professional era. Strap yourselves in as we cover Buddhism, Ed...

S4 Ep17: An Englishman Abroad: Yes or No?

29 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

With Maro Itoje pondering his future at Saracens, our trio discuss the hot topic of the week. Should England rugby players be allowed to play abroad A...

S4 Ep16: Make America Great

22 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Both Canada and the USA missed out on France 2023 and with Rugby’s biggest show heading to North America in 2031 a lot needs to get sorted both on a...

S4 Ep15: Courtney Lawes: Saint. Centurion. Lion.

15 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Having recently retired from England duty Courtney Lawes sits down with Payno, and two of his old teammates Hask and Tins, to reflect on a fantastic i...

S4 Ep14: Top 10 Stars of the Men's Game

07 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Who are the top 10 stars of the men’s the game right now? We have pulled together a shortlist of 20 players who we think are the brightest names on...

S4: How Rugby Made Me: Abbie Ward

06 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

An exclusive interview brought to you by British Airways… Bristol Bears & England lock, Abbie Ward is the first woman to benefit from the RFU’s ma...

S4 Ep13: The Big World Cup Review + GBR Awards

31 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It’s our final show from France and Alex ,Tins and Ben Kayser reflect on an extraordinary 7 weeks.  What was our favourite game? Who had the best ...

S4: How Rugby Made Me: Lydia Thompson

31 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

An exclusive interview brought to you by British Airways... Just a month out from the start of the Premiership Women’s Rugby season, Worcester Warri...

S4: GBR Reacts: Springboks World Cup Victory

29 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno & Tins are joined by Benjamin Kayser the day after South Africa became FOUR-time World Champions. The boys give their reviews of a historic nig...

S4: Le Petit Pod: Rassie's Big Gamble

27 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Alex & Tins are together one final time as they look ahead to the huge weekend of action. Will Rassie Erasmus's huge selection decision pay off? Myst...

S4 Ep12: The Battle to be the Greatest: All Blacks v Springboks

24 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno, Hask & Tins are joined by former New Zealand great Justin Marshall as we look ahead to the Final in Paris. With 3 titles between them who will ...

S4: Le Petit Pod: England v South Africa Preview with John Smit

20 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Alex Payne is joined by two World Cup Winners to discuss the semi-finals… England’s Mike Tindall and South Africa’s 2007 Captain John Smit. Eng...

S4 Ep11: England Marchons! Marchons!

18 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

England have made the Rugby World Cup Semi-Finals. Payno, Hask and Tins look back at one of the great weekends and preview this week’s game against ...

S4: How Rugby Made Me: Kyran & Charlie Bracken

15 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

An exclusive interview brought to you by British Airways… Alex meets up with Tins’ 2003 teammate, Kyran Bracken, who twenty years on from lifting ...

S4: Le Petit Pod: England Team Reaction

13 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Tins and Hask return for Le Petit Pod in Marseilles as they react to the England team announced by Steve Borthwick for the huge quarter-final clash ag...

S4 Ep10: World Cup Quarter-Finals Preview

10 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Hold on tight Dream Team the Rugby World Cup Quarter-Finals are here. We preview the most exciting rugby weekend of the year from the perspective of...

S4: Le Petit Pod: Shaun Edwards

05 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🎟️ TOUR TICKETS: https://bit.ly/GBRTourTickets 🎟️ With only a few weeks left of the Rugby World Cup, France coach Shaun Edwards joins us on...

S4 Ep9: Monsieur Ellis Genge

02 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week's show, we check in with Ellis Genge as England prepare for their final pool game v Samoa. We also hear the extraordinary story of Tong...

S4: Le Petit Pod: Round 4 Predictions

29 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

As the gap closes between Tier 1 & 2 Uruguay have been one of the great stories of this RWC. We catch-up with No.8 Carlos Deus ahead of Los Teros' fir...

S4 Ep8: Ireland Superfan Jamie Dornan

26 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Following Ireland's win over the Springboks we bring a touch of Hollywood to GBR HQ as Actor and Ireland superfan Jamie Dornan joins the lads.  Seas...

S4: How Rugby Made Me: Jason Robinson

20 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

An exclusive interview brought to you by British Airways… the origin story of the dual coder, whose trademark step and acceleration devastated oppos...

S4: Le Petit Pod from Monaco

20 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Alex, Hask and Tinds find themselves by the sea in Conti Carlo and make their predictions for South Africa v Ireland, Scotland v Tonga & Wales v Austr...

S4 Ep7: The Nice One

19 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This week’s episode comes from the heart of Nice at the Mercure Hotel Centre Notre-Dame,  where Payno, Hask and Tins have been based for the Englan...

S4: Le Petit Pod with Big John

13 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🎟️ TOUR TICKETS: https://bit.ly/GBRTourTickets 🎟️ Bosh! On this weeks Petit Pod, we meet TikTok sensation Big John. Plus Mystic Mike makes ...

S4 Ep6: World Cup Cruising: We’re going to Ibiza!

13 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

 🎟️ TOUR TICKETS: https://bit.ly/GBRTourTickets 🎟️ The Rugby World Cup is underway and Alex, Hask & Tins set sail on the GBR Cruise. The ...

S4: The Prince of Wales, The Princess of Wales & The Princess Royal at Windsor Castle

09 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The Rugby World Cup is underway, so Tins managed to get us a meeting with the Patrons of the WRU, RFU & SRU at Windsor Castle. Hask & Alex can't bel...

S4 Ep5: The Rugby World Cup Preview: The Northern Hemisphere

04 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🎟️ TOUR TICKETS: https://bit.ly/GBRTourTickets 🎟️ It’s Rugby World Cup week and Alex and Tinds are joined by some elite level guests, wit...

S4 Ep4: The Full English with Lawrence Dallaglio

28 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Tins, Hask and Payno are reunited at GB&R HQ and prebrief on everything England following the sides first ever defeat to Fiji. They are joined by Law...

S4: GBR Reacts | Tins & Hask on Faz & Billy

24 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

A bonus episode: Mike Tindall and James Haskell reflect on the outcome of the Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola disciplinary hearings. The England Capt...

S4 Ep3: Rugby World Cup Preview: The Southern Hemisphere

21 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

With the World Cup just around the corner we bring you our preview of the Southern Hemisphere nations.  When will we see the return of Handrè Polla...

S4 Ep2: Farrell's Escape & The Great Gats

14 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

An emergency pod is called as Lord Mike Tindall summons Jonathan "Fox" Davies to react to the huge news of Owen Farrell's red card being overturned. ...

S4 Ep1: England's World Cup 33 & the Return of the Rhino Bambino

08 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We’re back with a bang for Season Four; a day out at Twickenham for Steve Borthwick’s Rugby World Cup Squad announcement. Our Ellis joins Payno & ...

S3 Ep37: Globo Gym prevail and our End of Season Awards

30 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🛳️ Join us on the GBR Cruise: http://infinitysportstravel.com/gbr 🛳️ Tins, Hask and Payno return for the last show of Season 3 to look bac...

S3 Ep36: Horgan’s Heartbreak & The Massie-Taylor Take

23 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🛳️ Join us on the GBR Cruise: http://infinitysportstravel.com/gbr 🛳️ Payno and Tins are joined by a heartbroken Shane Horgan as his Leinster...

S3 Ep35: Sun, sea, sand and lots of rosé - Ibiza baby!

16 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

🛳️ Join us on the GBR Cruise: http://infinitysportstravel.com/gbr 🛳️ The boys are on tour, well sort of! Tins, Hask and Payno are let loose ...

S3 Ep34: The Fantastic Mr Fox

09 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Hask are joined by Jason 'Foxy' Fox to talk about joining the Marines as a 16-year old and then into the special forces, his struggles after...

S3 Ep33: Rugby from a War Zone

02 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Hask are joined by the current Ukrainian national team’s team manager Maksym Kravchenko and their scrum-half Vadym Sivak who are both in U...

S3 Ep32: The Young Guns: Henry Arundell & Ben White

25 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

London Irish duo Henry Arundell & Ben White join Hask and Payno to chat about their careers and their meteoric rise from schoolboys; going into great ...

S3 Ep31: Jack Willis: From Pauper to Prince

19 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno and Hask are joined by Toulouse and England star Jack Willis, who was without a club when Wasps went bust in October last year but has secured h...

S3 Ep30: 10 Things To Love About Rugby In 2023

11 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The boys are back to give their 10 things that they love about rugby in 2023 and yes, we somehow managed to keep Hask somewhat positive throughout! Pa...

S3 Ep29: Anthony Watson: Bath, England and his next move

05 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Alex is back alongside Hask and Tinds and this week they’re joined by Leicester and England’s Anthony Watson. He talks about his international c...

S3 Ep28: Full Context Hearn: AJ, Rugby and Sugar Reef

28 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Hask and Tinds are joined by a special guest this week as Matchroom MD, and the man behind some of boxing's biggest fights in the last 20 years, Eddie...

S3 Ep27: Johnny Sexton’s Ireland

22 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Records were broken, tears were shed and jigs were danced as an Ireland Grand Slam on St Patrick’s weekend has come to pass. The man behind the jig,...

S3 Ep26: La France; c'est magnifique

15 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

What a stunning penultimate round of the Six Nations and to break it down with Payno and Tinds are the crowing Ben Kayser (sans his yellow gloves) and...

S3 Ep25: 2003 Grand Slam special - 20 years on

12 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

England won the World Cup in 2003 but often forgotten is the Six Nations Grand Slam winning team earlier that year. Payno and Tinds are joined by Law...

S3 Ep24: Tasers, ponies and Gremlins oh, a bit of rugby too

08 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We’re getting to the business end of the Six Nations so Payno, Hask and Tinds preview what’s likely to be a gripping slate of penultimate round ga...

S3 Ep23: Six Nations, Several Picket Lines and a Brand New Theatre Tour

01 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Payno returns to take stock of a Six Nations for the ages and the trio announce that they’re going back on tour after the World Cup in the autumn!!!...

S3 Ep22: The Mid-Six Nations War in Wales

22 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

No Alex or Tinds this week so Hask has sent out the bat signal and two GBR favourites have answered. Ben Kayser and Jon ‘Fox’ Davies join the pod ...

S3 Ep21: Six Nations Round 2 with Ellis Genge and Tommy Bowe

15 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

No Alex this week so Hask is in the big chair alongside Tinds as they look back on a brilliant second round of matches in the 6 Nations. Ellis Genge ...

S3 Ep20: Six Nations Round 1 with Greig Laidlaw

08 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

As the dust settles after a turbulent weekend of rugby, the boys get back together to talk back selections, team mentality and a new era for the 6 Nat...

S3 Ep19: The Six Nations Preview with Foxy & Geordan Murphy

01 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Roll up, roll up, get your Six Nations preview here - rugby nause or not, this episode is for you… The boys are joined by Jon ‘Fox’ Davies and G...

S3 Ep18: The Big Tackle Height Debate

25 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Another quiet week in the world of rugby… The RFU dropped a bombshell when they announced plans to lower the legal tackle height in the amateur game...

S3 Ep17: How do you solve a problem like the Champions Cup?

18 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Alex, Hask and Shane Horgan take a deep dive into the Heineken Champions Cup. How did a competition once viewed as the pinnacle of the northern hemisp...

S3: Return To Oz: Eddie Jones exclusive interview

17 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Eddie Jones joins Hask and Alex to talk about his new role as Australia Head Coach. He also explains why he knew he was going to be sacked from his ro...

S3 Ep16: The State of the Game with the CEOs of the RFU & Premiership Rugby, Bill Sweeney & Simon Massie-Taylor

11 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

2022 was a massive year for rugby in England, the sport’s having a tough old time off the pitch, so Hask and Alex invited themselves to Twickenham f...

S3 Ep15: Sam Whitelock: Blood, sweat and knitting

04 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Starting as we mean to go on, the boys catch up with the All Blacks record cap-holder and stand-in skipper; super Sam Whitelock. Payno and Hask get in...

S3 Ep14: Live in Cardiff with Scott Quinnell

28 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Join the lads for one of the best nights of their live theatre tour, earlier this year; Cardiff with Scott Quinnell. The boys are aware they’re on S...

S3 Ep13: Merry Ginmas: A Christmas Special

21 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to another shambles of a Christmas special as the boys are in the studio with their Blackeye gin to look back on the year personally and in ...

S3: Behind the Whistle: Q&A with Wayne Barnes

16 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

BONUS Episode: After his appearance on the show earlier this week Payno sat down with the brilliant Wayne Barnes to find out about the man behind the ...

S3 Ep12: Wayne Barnes: The man in the middle

14 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Just weeks after THAT game in France and THOSE tweets from Rassie Erasmus the brilliant Wayne Barnes joins Payno and Ben Kayser to talk about the back...

S3: The Breakdown | Tinds is back! He has his say on Eddie Jones' sacking!

13 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The Lord of the Jungle, Tinds has returned from Australia so we had to get his thoughts on a tumultuous 10 days or so in English rugby with the Eddie ...

S3 Ep11: Jones sacked: Eddie's right hand man reveals all

06 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

And there he goes. Eddie Jones’ 7-year tenure as England Head Coach came to an end today. So, Payno spoke with the Australian’s right hand man, Da...

S3: The Breakdown | Return of the Gats: Warren back with Wales

05 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A slightly different offering for you today as Payno is joined by Wales and Lions legend Jamie Roberts to discuss Wales moving on from Wayne Pivac and...

S3 Ep10: Ellis tackles Eddie rumours

30 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A huge show as Payno and Hask have their say on England’s poor Autumn Nations Series display. Hask defends his old boss in Eddie Jones and says he i...

S3 Ep9: Nobody puts Bobby in the corner

23 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Payno, who’s feeling rather tender after the World Rugby Awards in Monaco, is joined by Hask and former World Cup winning Springbok Bob Skinstad in ...

S3 Ep8: [vice] Captain Jack & Payno at Pennyhill Park

16 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The show goes on tour, well, sort of! Payno heads to England training HQ at Pennyhill Park to chat to [vice] captain Jack Nowell about the team’s re...

S3 Ep7: How do you solve a problem like Twickenham?

09 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

With Tinds hosting spiders on his head in the Jungle, Payno and Hask are joined by Scarlets and Wales legend Jonathan ‘Foxy’ Davies to break down ...

S3: The Breakdown | Tinds is off to the Jungle!

04 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Ahead of his stint in the jungle, the lads caught up with Mike to discuss his fears and feelings before heading to Australia. We also give him a call ...

S3 Ep6: Has the All Black Majesty Gone?

02 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

With Hask away and Tinds in the Jungle, for once it’s a proper rugby show as Ben Kayser and Shane Horgan join Payno in the studio. The boys break do...

S3 Ep5: Baby Rhino: The Captain?

25 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Just the three in the studio and it is a veritable topic tombola as the boys discuss a mini-injury crisis for Eddie Jones’ England ahead of the Autu...

S3 Ep4: The Wigan Wizard

18 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The boys have their say on Wasps going into administration and England’s squad for the Autumn Nations Series games. They are also joined by an absol...

S3 Ep3: Worcester no more

12 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Former Worcester and England flanker Matt Kvesic joins the boys to go through exactly what happened in the final days at the now defunct club. We also...