The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Who needs experts?

22 May 2026

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Almost a decade ago, Tom Nichols warned that Americans were losing respect for expertise. He didn’t expect things to get this bad. Sean talks with ...

The myth of absolute freedom

18 May 2026

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Sean talks with writer David Epstein about why unlimited freedom and endless choice often make us less creative, less focused, and less fulfilled. The...

The college dream has failed

15 May 2026

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College was supposed to be a ticket to a better life. A degree meant a good job, a decent salary, and a brighter future. That promise is breaking down...

Why progress is hard to see

11 May 2026

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If someone asked you to describe the state of the world right now, odds are you’d reach for the bad news first: political division, AI panic, war, e...

The wellness path to conspiracy

08 May 2026

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Sean talks with Vox senior correspondent Anna North about the strange rise of the “Make America Healthy Again” (MAHA) movement. They explore why M...

The science of awe

04 May 2026

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Sean talks with psychologist Dacher Keltner about the science of awe and why it might be one of the most important emotions we have. They explore how ...

In defense of fatherhood

01 May 2026

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Everyone says having kids changes your life. That’s true. But it’s not the whole story. Sean talks with author Derek Thompson about fatherhood, h...

The case for thinking like a child

27 Apr 2026

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Sean talks with psychologist Alison Gopnik about how children think, learn, experience the world, and why their minds may be more powerful than ours i...

The one thing the Supreme Court won’t touch

24 Apr 2026

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The Supreme Court is aggressive on almost everything. Except the internet. Sean talks with Vox’s Ian Millhiser about a surprising pattern at the Co...

The Pentagon’s AI war machine

20 Apr 2026

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The Pentagon has spent years building AI tools to help identify targets, speed up battlefield decisions, and make war more “efficient.” What start...

American democracy's structural flaw

17 Apr 2026

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Back in 2015, before President Donald Trump, before January 6, before all the craziness of the last decade, Matt Yglesias made a blunt prediction: Ame...

The contradictions of wokeness

13 Apr 2026

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What does it mean to be “woke”? It's become a catch-all term to smear or dismiss anything that has any vague association with progressive politics...

How to forgive yourself

10 Apr 2026

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It’s easy to forgive other people because you don’t have to live inside their head. Forgiving yourself is different and much, much harder. Sean I...

The revolution will be memed

06 Apr 2026

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Kalle Lasn has been trying to jam consumer culture for decades. Now he thinks that was only the beginning. Sean talks with the Adbusters founder abou...

How A became A

03 Apr 2026

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The Gray Area is taking a short break this week — but we’ve got something special for you. We’re dropping an episode from one of our favorite p...

Why humans need to matter

30 Mar 2026

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Why do humans have this deep need to feel like we matter?  Sean Illing talks with the philosopher Rebecca Goldstein about why “mattering” is not...

A brief update on the AI apocalypse

27 Mar 2026

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Something is definitely happening in the AI world, but how seriously should we take it? Is this another hype cycle or a genuine inflection point? Sea...

Consciousness is a mystery

16 Mar 2026

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What is consciousness, really? We don’t know. Scientists aren’t sure. Philosophers can’t agree. All we have is the fact that it feels like some...

The end of world order as we know it

13 Mar 2026

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Venezuela. Greenland. Iran. Things have been moving so quickly that we weren't even at war with Iran when we recorded this episode of The Gray Area w...

Alone in a cage with cocaine

09 Mar 2026

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Addiction is one of those words that seems obvious until you try to explain it. We tend to fall back on two simple stories. Either addiction is a mora...

Winging it in Iran

06 Mar 2026

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What the hell just happened in Iran? The US launched an attack last weekend, and within hours, the explanations were already shifting. Is this regime...

Of course you're anxious

02 Mar 2026

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We use the word “anxiety” to describe stress, dread, worry, panic, even vibes. Which just goes to show: We really don’t know what anxiety is, or...

Gen Z men have baby fever

27 Feb 2026

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A lot of Gen Z men sound surprisingly excited about fatherhood. A lot of Gen Z women…do not.  And that divide — and the national handwringing ab...

Why mindfulness got weird

23 Feb 2026

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Mindfulness is everywhere now, which is kind of weird. What started as a countercultural practice has become a productivity hack and a billion-dollar...

You’re right to bear arms

20 Feb 2026

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Sean talks to Atlantic writer Tyler Austin Harper about the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis, and why liberals are missing the point about Americ...

Happy news from Sean 

19 Feb 2026

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The Gray Area with Sean Illing is now twice a week! Look for new episodes every Monday and Friday, here in your ears and at Youtube.com/vox for you...

The problem with gamifying life

09 Feb 2026

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Games are fun. Aren’t they? When we play games — board games, video games, any kind of game — something magical happens. Games allow us to ex...

America is football

26 Jan 2026

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Why do we love football so much? Why does this sport dominate American culture in a way nothing else can? Why does it feel essential even to people wh...

How we built a government that can’t build anything

12 Jan 2026

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Why is it so hard for America to build things? Bridges take years to construct. Housing costs are soaring. Transit systems are crumbling. And we’...

It’s okay to not be okay

22 Dec 2025

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It’s not always the most wonderful time of the year. Every December, we’re told to be merry and stay positive. But a lot of us don’t feel tha...

Forgiveness is optional

15 Dec 2025

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You have to forgive people who wrong you…right? The world is filled with injustice and wrongdoing, and to live in the world — to not be consumed b...

Across the Gooniverse

08 Dec 2025

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Sean’s guest today is Daniel Kolitz, author of a remarkable Harper’s story on “gooning.”  They talk about this emerging subculture and how i...

What counts as progress?

01 Dec 2025

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We’ve never had more wealth, more data, or more ways to be entertained. So why doesn’t it feel like progress?  Sean’s guest today is Brad De...

You’re not awkward — the world is.

17 Nov 2025

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We all know what awkwardness feels like. It's that jolt of discomfort when the social script breaks down, and no one knows what to do next. But what i...

Truth in an age of doublethink

10 Nov 2025

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We use “Orwellian” to describe everything from campus dust-ups to authoritarian crackdowns. But what did George Orwell actually stand for, what di...

The case against free will

03 Nov 2025

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We all think of ourselves as authors of our lives. The difference between our happy ending and someone else’s tragic one are the choices we each mak...

What the climate story gets wrong

27 Oct 2025

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The story we tell about climate change is mostly a story about loss. But look to the data, and that story starts to fall apart. Emissions are peaking ...

The Great Enshittening

20 Oct 2025

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Open a browser and you can feel it instantly: everything online just feels… worse. Search results that look like ads. Social feeds that you don’t ...

America chose violence. Now what?

13 Oct 2025

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Is America at a tipping point? Sean Illing talks with Barbara Walter, one of the world’s leading experts on violent extremism and domestic terror...

What's worth remembering?

06 Oct 2025

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We like to think of memory as a record of the past. But that’s not really what it is. Memory doesn’t keep the past — it can also remake it. It s...

Why TikTok matters

29 Sep 2025

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This week, Sean talks with Emily Baker-White, author of Every Screen on the Planet, about why TikTok feels uniquely addictive, how it turned social me...

The sun will save us

22 Sep 2025

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Bill McKibben has spent four decades warning us about climate change. Much of what he predicted has come true. And yet, his new book Here Comes the Su...

How much free speech is too much?

15 Sep 2025

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Free speech is often treated as a timeless and sacred right. But what if it’s more myth than reality? This week, Sean is joined by historian Fara...

Imagine there's no billionaires

01 Sep 2025

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How much money is too much? In today’s episode, political philosopher Ingrid Robeyns tells Sean that we need to cap the amount of wealth a person c...

America's lawyers vs. China's engineers

25 Aug 2025

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America has a hard time building stuff. Roads. Trains. Bridges. Housing. Everything takes seemingly forever. Meanwhile, China seems to have no trouble...

So, what exactly is the “New Right?”

18 Aug 2025

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A loose movement of radical intellectuals is driving American politics.  They’re called the “New Right,” and they share a basic hostility to Am...

America is losing big on sports betting

11 Aug 2025

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Almost every tech platform is designed to grab and hold your attention, to keep you clicking, scrolling, and buying for as long as possible. Sports...

It’s time to get weird

04 Aug 2025

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The internet was supposed to set us free. But somewhere along the way, it became a tool for surveillance, extraction, and control. What happened? And ...

What if humans went extinct next Friday?

28 Jul 2025

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What comes after the human? We’re living through multiple crises — ecological, technological, political. But beneath all of that is something e...

Can college survive Trump?

21 Jul 2025

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American higher education is under attack. Project 2025 laid out the battle plan pretty clearly: Get rid of the Department of Education, shut off fede...

Hopeful pessimism

14 Jul 2025

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We live in a culture obsessed with hope. We are trained to believe that being hopeful is the key to success. Stay positive. The sun will come out tomo...

If AI can do your classwork, why go to college?

30 Jun 2025

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What’s the point of college if no one’s actually doing the work? It’s not a rhetorical question. In the age of AI, it's incredibly easy for stud...

Is Trump winning?

16 Jun 2025

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We’re nearly six months into Donald Trump’s second term as president, and a lot of us are still trying to figure out what that actually means. Not...

A right-wing economist makes his case

09 Jun 2025

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For decades, the American right has stayed on brand: the economy. Low taxes. Free markets. Deregulation. Those have been the buzzwords for more than h...

What "near death" feels like

02 Jun 2025

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Sebastian Junger came as close as you possibly can to dying. While his doctors struggled to revive him, the veteran reporter and avowed rationalist ex...

Machiavelli on how democracies die

26 May 2025

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Almost nothing stands the test of time. Machiavelli's writings are a rare exception. Why are we still talking about Machiavelli, nearly 500 years a...

Do you have moral ambition?

12 May 2025

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We’re told from a young age to achieve. Get good grades. Get into a good school. Get a good job. Be ambitious about earning a high salary or a high-...

The science of ideology

05 May 2025

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What do you do when you’re faced with evidence that challenges your ideology? Do you engage with that new information? Are you willing to change you...

A new analysis of the pandemic

28 Apr 2025

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There are lots of stories to tell about the Covid pandemic. Most of them, on some level, are about politics, about decisions that affected people’s ...

Halfway there: a philosopher’s guide to midlife crises

21 Apr 2025

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Philosophy often feels like a disconnected discipline, obsessed with tedious and abstract problems. But MIT professor Kieran Setiya believes philosoph...

Whatever this is, it isn’t liberalism

14 Apr 2025

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What exactly is the basis for democracy? Arguably Iiberalism, the belief that the government serves the people, is the stone on which modern democrac...

A new way to listen

11 Apr 2025

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We have an exciting announcement! Vox Members now get access to ad-free podcasts. If you sign up, you’ll get unlimited access to reporting on vox.c...

The beliefs AI is built on

07 Apr 2025

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There’s a lot of uncertainty when it comes to artificial intelligence. Technologists love to talk about all the good these tools can do in the world...

Stop comparing yourself to AI

31 Mar 2025

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Why do we keep comparing AI to humans? Jaron Lanier — virtual reality pioneer, digital philosopher, and the author of several best-selling books on...

Democrats need to do something

24 Mar 2025

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American government has a speed issue. Both parties are slow to solve problems. Slow to build new things. Slow to make any change at all. Until now. ...

How to live in uncertain times

17 Mar 2025

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Humans hate uncertainty. It makes us feel unsafe and uneasy. We often organize our lives to avoid it. When it's foisted upon us, we don’t always kno...

How to sink into silence

10 Mar 2025

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How often do you find silence? And do you know what to do with it when you do? Today’s guest is essayist and travel writer Pico Iyer. His latest boo...

How to change your personality

03 Mar 2025

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If you could change anything about your personality, anything at all, what would it be? And why would you want to change it?Writer Olga Khazan spent a...

Is ignorance truly bliss?

17 Feb 2025

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Are you ever happier not knowing something? As Aristotle famously claimed, “All human beings want to know.” But denial and avoidance are also hu...

Is America broken?

10 Feb 2025

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What do you think of America’s institutions? Alana Newhouse, founder and editor-in-chief of Tablet Magazine, says that may be the most important pol...

The cost of spending time alone

03 Feb 2025

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Americans are spending an historic amount of time alone, a phenomenon that is often referred to as an "epidemic of loneliness." But are we actually lo...

Attention pays (with Chris Hayes)

27 Jan 2025

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Where is your attention right now? Where was it a minute ago? A second ago? Where will it be a minute from now? One of the primary features of this ag...

How to be happy

20 Jan 2025

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What does it take to be happy? Professor of psychology Laurie Santos just might have the answer. This week The Gray Area takes a break from its regul...

The screens between us

13 Jan 2025

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What is the first thing that you touch in the morning? What about the last thing you touch before you go to sleep? For many of us, it’s our phone. D...

The importance of failure

06 Jan 2025

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At the beginning of the new year, many of us make pledges to change ourselves. We want to work out more. Or read more. Or cook more. Within a few mont...

What to do with your sadness, pain, and grief

23 Dec 2024

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How can we find happiness? That's an old question. Since the beginning of philosophy people have been wondering what makes us happy and how to get mor...

What do animals feel?

16 Dec 2024

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Can you ever really know what’s going on inside the mind of another creature? In some cases, like other humans, or dogs and cats, we might be able t...

Are men okay?

09 Dec 2024

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This week, host Sean Illing gets personal when he asks professor and podcast host Scott Galloway: What’s going on with men? There’s a growing body...

How to feel alive

02 Dec 2024

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The sheer feeling of aliveness. We all know what that is, even though it comes in many different forms. Maybe it’s going for a long run at night. Or...

The antidote to climate anxiety

25 Nov 2024

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In this episode, host Sean Illing speaks with marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson about her book What If We Get It Right? Visions of Climate Futu...

America’s reactionary moment

18 Nov 2024

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What just happened? It’s been almost two weeks since the presidential election, and many Americans are still grappling with the result. The politica...

Well this is awkward

11 Nov 2024

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Philosopher Alexandra Plakias says there are no awkward people, only awkward situations. In her book, Awkwardness: A Theory, Plakias explains the dif...

What just happened, and what comes next

08 Nov 2024

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This has been an unusual week. Sean and the TGA team are still sifting through it all and figuring out what to think about the presidential election. ...

Does being "woke" do any good?

04 Nov 2024

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What does it mean to be "woke"? It's become a catchall term to smear or dismiss anything that has any vague association with progressive politics. As ...

Is America collapsing like Ancient Rome?

28 Oct 2024

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What can ancient Rome teach us about American democracy? The Roman Republic fell for a lot of reasons: The state became too big and chaotic; the influ...

The world according to Werner Herzog

21 Oct 2024

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Sean Illing speaks with one of his heroes: Werner Herzog. Herzog is a filmmaker, poet, and author of the memoir Every Man for Himself and God Against ...

Ta-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and truth.

14 Oct 2024

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How important is complexity? At The Gray Area, we value understanding the details. We revel in complexity. But does our desire to understand that com...

Your mind needs chaos

09 Oct 2024

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In part three of our series on creativity, guest host Oshan Jarow speaks with philosopher of neuroscience Mark Miller about how our minds actually...

Musician Laraaji on the origin of creativity

08 Oct 2024

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Sean revisits his interview with musician Laraaji, a pioneer of new age music who has recorded more than 50 albums since he was discovered busking in...

Is AI creative?

07 Oct 2024

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What is the relationship between creativity and artificial intelligence? Creativity feels innately human, but is it? Can a machine be creative? Are we...

Happiness isn’t the goal

30 Sep 2024

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Children live with a beginner’s mind. Every day is full of new discoveries, powerful emotions, and often unrealistically positive assumptions about ...

A message from Sean

27 Sep 2024

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Sean Illing has a special message for all you listeners: Look at me! We’ve made our first-ever video episode. See Sean in conversation with Yuval No...

What if we get climate change right?

23 Sep 2024

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Climate change has become synonymous with doomsday, as though everyone is waiting for the worst to happen. But what is this mindset doing to us? Is cl...

Yuval Noah Harari on the eclipsing of human intelligence

16 Sep 2024

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Humans are good learners and teachers, constantly gathering information, archiving, and sharing knowledge. So why, after building the most sophisticat...

Why cynicism is bad for you

09 Sep 2024

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There’s a certain glamor to cynicism. As a culture, we’ve turned cynicism into a symbol of hard-earned wisdom, assuming that those who are cynical...

Poetry as religion

02 Sep 2024

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Sean Illing speaks with poet and historian Jennifer Michael Hecht, whose book The Wonder Paradox asks: If we don't have God or religion, what — if a...

The jazz musician’s guide to the universe

26 Aug 2024

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How is the origin of our universe like an improvised saxophone solo? This week, Sean Illing talks to Stephon Alexander, a theoretical physicist and wo...

Revisiting the "father of capitalism"

19 Aug 2024

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Sean Illing talks with Glory Liu, the author of Adam Smith’s America: How a Scottish Philosopher became an Icon of American Capitalism. Smith is m...

Breaking our family patterns

12 Aug 2024

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Sean Illing speaks with marriage and family therapist Vienna Pharaon, whose book 'The Origins of You' aims to help us identify and heal the wounds tha...

Why Orwell matters

05 Aug 2024

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In an Orwellian twist, the word “Orwellian” has been misused so much over the decades that it’s essentially lost its meaning. But George Orwell,...