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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

THE HERD - Hour 2 - More on the NFL Draft, Albert Breer

24 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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A win is a win.

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A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say.

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That's T-W-O percent on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back At It podcast. 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.

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Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s.

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84 was a wild year.

Chapter 2: What specific needs do NFL teams have heading into the draft?

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You watch the way he played. He's like a coach in the field. Most people who have been around him say he's going to be the captain of his NFL team in year two. And, you know, obviously there's great lineage there. His dad played in the NFL. His brother, of course, is a receiver for the Colts. So he checks all of those boxes.

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You get a guy who's going to be a battleship commander for your secondary. Now, the question is the upside. I talked to a coach yesterday who said to me, if you put the Vegas odds on it, the guy with the best chance to get a gold jacket in this class is Caleb Downs. And so I agree.

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look like we can argue over positional value all you want does this guy have the measurables that derwin james or kyle hamilton had coming out no but i mean just from like the standpoint of who played the best football over the last three years of any of the guys in the draft i think you could make a really compelling case that the answer is caleb downs

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Okay, so I had somebody I trust tell me two weeks ago, keep your eye on the Chiefs moving up. I thought they would do it for Bailey. That was probably too rich. But this is where I defend. I don't like moving up in most drafts, especially weak drafts. But I do think the Eagles had a specific need. They knew six months ago they were moving off A.J. Brown. They get a third receiver from Green Bay.

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They needed a number two guy. I like that. Kansas City's interesting. I think they have great coaches, great quarterback, and I think they have good players. But they needed a pop back, a pop corner, I mean, like high-end guys, and they've got to get a couple of guys in the defensive line. I like Kansas City moving up.

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I mean, I think that the difference between the best corner and the second best in this draft, I think there's a lot of good safeties. I don't know if there's that many great corners, and I think maybe they got the only one. How did you view it? Yeah, this to me is the cascading effect of the Jamod McCoy injury situation.

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For people who don't know, Colin, I'm sure you're aware of this, but this is a guy... It was McCoy, Delane, 1-2 coming into the process, and then teams got a hold of the medicals for McCoy, and it sucks for the kid. It really does, but this...

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like it the knee's bad and it looks like he might be a one contract guy which is why he fell all the way through the first round there were some teams that preferred mccoy to delane coming into the process so that left delane all alone as the number one corner i think most people saw colton hood as number two now chris johnson winds up going yesterday instead and the rest of the corners are on the board and that i mean your point is illustrated there right like

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mansour delane was clearly the number one corner and i think the chiefs looked at this and said we have a replacement for trent mcduffie here we can get them financially at a quarter of the price which gives you some insight into the business piece of all of this right maybe the guy has more upside you know than the mcduffie than mcduffie just because he's a bigger longer player smooth explosive all of that um

Chapter 3: How did the Chicago Bears transform their team in one year?

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Okay, listen, I was so fired up for the Dolphins. And then they take the one tackle I didn't like. And I've said this before. When you find offensive linemen, if you find college players that are hurt a lot, well, they're going to get hurt in the pros.

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If you find college linemen that struggle with weight and now you're going to make them rich, they're not going to become Jack LaLanne or bodybuilders. Proctor, all you hear about him is, boy, he should dominate way more. That scares the... That pick to me, I don't mind the corner later because he's a versatile kid and it's, you know, eye of the beholder a little bit.

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I didn't love the Proctor pick. Is that... I mean, how is it viewed around the league? I think that's fair. Most people who know the new general manager there, John Eric Sullivan, said he's going to go safe from a character perspective, safe from an injury perspective. Now, I think this is safe from an injury perspective, but not from a character perspective. And, you know, your question is,

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I put it this way. Is this the right time to take someone like that? If Detroit had taken Caden Proctor, I would have liked it because I think you're plugging him in then with a program that's fully formed into a room that's got Panay Sewell in it. I think that that would probably bring him up a notch.

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Now the challenge is on the coaches, on Jeff Hathaway and Bobby Sloak, their offensive coordinator, to get the most out of him. He is super talented. Here's where The Green Bay background of Jeff Halfley and John Eric Sullivan comes in. Traits. Big conference. He's from the University of Alabama. He's big. He's long. He looks like he was made in a lab to play left tackle.

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So if you hit on him, it is a home run. No question about it. To me, this is like taking Laramie Tunsil for the Dolphins, whatever it was a decade ago.

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Exactly.

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You know, it's like if you hit on it, it is a grand slam. But like there is some risk involved. And so there's going to be a little bit more of the coaches to develop them. But premium position, big school traits like it just this is a Packer type of pick outside of the character piece of it. OK, so listen, I think.

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The media likes stories, and I think Brandon Bean has become an easy target as the Bills GM because he's kind of thin-skinned. He goes on radio, fires shots. It's easy for us. It's cannon fodder. It's so easy for us. But I look at that offense, and they've got a great slot receiver. They go get DJ Moore, who is incredibly durable, a total pro, left tackle, quarterback, tight end.

Chapter 4: How do the Rams' draft decisions reflect their organizational strategy?

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And obviously the Titans hope that's what becomes a Cardinal Tate. Yeah, I mean, there are certain schools, LSU, Georgia, sometimes you can be a number two corner. And a first round pick like Ohio State wide receiver. He's good. All right. Very, you know, I try to remind everybody because people freak out in the NBA.

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This is a good NBA draft, but often in the NBA, you're out of players by the eighth pick. In the NFL, half the league is undrafted. The Rams have a very good left tackle. He's undrafted. So they take Ty Simpson. Everybody just freaks out. I'm like, guys, last year, Brock Purdy, Jaden Daniels, Mahomes, Daniel Jones, Bo Nix, Lamar Jackson all got hurt.

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The worst thing in the world isn't to reach when you have a 38-year-old quarterback who last year in August was in a camper Remember, he was in a camper. They were trying to align his back. Again, I want to emphasize that. This is a yes or no question. You know what I mean with a quarterback? If you think the guy can be your quarterback for the next 10 years...

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I mean, I don't care what anyone else thinks. This is why, actually. I'm going to pull the numbers up for you right now, Colin. I had them earlier. Okay, so over the last 26 drafts, 77 quarterbacks in the first round, 25 in the second round, 35 in the third round. So three times as many quarterbacks in the first round as in the second round. Right.

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And the last time multiple quarterbacks went in the second round was 2014. That was the car Garoppolo draft. Garoppolo was the very end of the second round. Why do you think that is? It's because if you think a guy can be your long term starter, you just take him in the first round.

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And if you don't think a guy can be your long term starter, well, then in the second or third round, you're going to be getting long term starters at other positions. So this is just the way that the quarterback position works. And look, the Rams explore the idea of moving down and all the rest of it, and it doesn't work out, and they wind up with Ty Simpson.

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And I'm sure next year or the next two or three years, we'll be looking at Ty Simpson and comparing him to Makai Lemon and Omar Cooper and what they could have gotten at receiver because Ty Simpson won't be playing. We're not going to get the answer on Ty Simpson for another five or six years. Right. Good stuff. Albert Breer. Good seeing you, buddy. Thanks, Colin. You bet.

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Money, money, quarterback. You know, J-Mac, you're just sore because you got to give me a steak. Come take care. Hey, it's funny. I heard. I had two to one odds.

1456.938 - 1467.711 Colin Cowherd

I got two to one odds. Yeah. Well, I need to fatten you up. You're getting a little thin there in Chicago. Let me ask you this. So the Caden Proctor stuff about the character concerns, I just looked them up. It's not.

Chapter 5: What impact does Caleb Downs have as a draft pick for the Cowboys?

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Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

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So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to Look Back at It on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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For the record, Big Ten, ten first-round picks, SEC second at seven. And for the record, the feeling is the three big reaches in the first round were Ty Simpson, Alabama SEC, Caden Proctor, Alabama offensive tackle, and Caleb Banks, Vikings defensive tackle, broken foot, extended issues. So the three reaches...

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I also thought moving up, which Tennessee did for folk, was not a move I would have made. So we've talked about this. You've heard of the GDP, gross domestic product for cities and countries. For college football conferences and college basketball conferences, there's something called GMP, gross metropolitan product. The cities you're in, the revenue in those cities. Big Ten's GMS, 5.7 billion.

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SEC's GMS, 1.3 billion. 342% advantage Big Ten, and the Big Ten's GMS is growing faster than the SEC's. The world has changed. Jay Mack with the news.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of moving up in the draft?

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No. Look at Dallas' defensive front now. Look at Philadelphia's defensive front. You think an injury-prone left tackle who will eventually, you'll put your right tackle at left when he misses starts, you think you're set at tackle with a second-year quarterback who lived in the blue tent. The Giants nailed it. Best player, another tackle in the building. I thought it was great by the Giants.

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2151.405 - 2156.178 Colin Cowherd

I'm going to wait for the schedules, but maybe we'll do double or nothing on the steak dinners.

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Dude, I can't eat six of them a week. You've got to win one of these bets. All right, let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers, Colin.

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2164.849 - 2187.304 Colin Cowherd

The Steelers were on the phone with Makai Lemon saying, we're going to get you at 21. And then swooping in were the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, they called him when he was on the phone with the Steelers, said, bro, we're moving up to grab you. Prompting the media to ask Howie Roseman, hey, hey, you just drafted a receiver. What about A.J. Brown? Here's Howie Roseman.

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For us, again, AJ's a member of the Eagles. We don't have any trades that have been made or that are done. And I think for us, we're taking this one day at a time. We're going to look to improve the team tomorrow.

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We'll continue to address anything that we have to with our roster, not only through this draft weekend, but we'll continue to look for ways to improve the team throughout the offseason and as we get into training camp.

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Well, they went and got a No. 3 receiver and a No. 2 receiver to replace A.J. Brown. They're going to go offensive line hunting with this next pick. And that's what they need. Their roster is the strength in the building, is the culture in the roster. Are you of the belief that a deal is already done for A.J.

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Brown, or they have several they're sifting through that they will do after June 1, June 2, whatever, after the... Deal's done. They've been working on this for a while. And you think it's Patriots? Yes. Winners, both teams win.

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Can I just toss the Rams out there? Apparently that the whole Devante Adams, AJ Brown thing was close.

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