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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

THE HERD - Hour 3 - Chris Broussard stops by The Herd

13 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What insights does Chris Broussard share about Victor Wembanyama?

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4.579 - 26.137 Robert Smigel

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy. Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between-songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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26.157 - 34.917 Robert Smigel

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34.937 - 52.183 Timbo

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports, and giving you the real story behind the headlines.

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52.203 - 69.643 Timbo

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69.623 - 87.852 Colin Cowherd

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92.323 - 99.782 Colin Cowherd

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Chapter 2: How did the Spurs take a 3-2 lead against the Timberwolves?

296.339 - 316.852 Colin Cowherd

The NBA has got a quick whistle regular season. They want to keep their stars healthy. Then they cross your fingers, but you let all the guys beat up on themselves in the playoffs. It's physical basketball. So this is history. They swallow the whistle, especially late in the shot clock or late at the half or late in the game. They want players to win.

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316.892 - 335.575 Colin Cowherd

They don't want refs to be the deciding factor. So this is the one. A little bit of kryptonite to SGA is in the playoffs, he won't probably over the next eight years quite get the regular season whistle. And in the next round, he's going to be facing who I believe is the best wing defender in the league, and that's young Steph Castle.

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335.916 - 353.548 Colin Cowherd

Now, I know Jada McDaniels, these guys, Thompson twins are great. Castle is unbelievable. And if you look, and I've already done the homework, talked about it on my podcast. Every game this season, SGA matched up against Castle. Castle has held him under his regular season shooting percentage. All of it. I mean, the data doesn't lie, people. And it's not just SGA shooting.

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353.608 - 376.233 Colin Cowherd

It's when defended by Castle. Well, and also, Jason, SGA is not a highly vertical player. Nor is he a big guy. You know, sometimes Shaq's power, it was inevitable. When besides MJ's twitchiness, like that's not what he is. He's got a little bit of Kiki Bandaway. He's got a little bit of Alex English. He's a guy that needs a whistle. He's going to manipulate the body.

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376.553 - 396.664 Colin Cowherd

So for him, the whistle is very important because he's not going to jump over you. He's not going to skyhook it over you. He doesn't have a size advantage or a vertical advantage, so the whistle matters to his career. Yeah, let's see how they handle it when the Spurs are beating them. Are they going to melt down and be whining a lot? All right, let's move to the NFL and the New York Giants.

396.684 - 417.734 Colin Cowherd

I have a feeling we're going to talk about them a lot this year. Your guys, Brian Burns was not happy to see Dexter Lawrence traded, but says, hey, I'm embracing the new opportunity, and I'm looking at this as my defense in New York. under John Harbaugh. You seem really bullish on the defense. I mean, Dexter Lawrence is a big loss, Colin. Yeah, he didn't have a great year.

417.994 - 434.369 Colin Cowherd

I think he's a bigger acquisition by Cincinnati than he is a loss to the Giants. I think, I mean, again, he didn't have a great year. He's a good player. Cincinnati has been bereft of any defensive line pressure. I mean, it's just a bad defense the last two years.

434.409 - 454.671 Colin Cowherd

So they've done, Cincinnati's gone out of their way over the last two years in the draft and that Dexter Lawrence trade to get the ball back to Joe Burrow, make some stops on third down. I thought it was a really, I thought it was a really, aggressive get for Cincinnati, I think the Giants will be... I think the Giants roster is a little undersold in the league.

454.691 - 471.032 Colin Cowherd

I think it's a little better than people think. And I thought they had a tremendous draft. All right. Final story, Colin. Jalen Brown of the Boston Celtics, he made some noise by going on a Twitch stream recently, and that caught the eye of one Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony believes...

Chapter 3: What can we expect from the Lakers going forward?

535.947 - 556.683 Colin Cowherd

Player has a glass of wine. He's feeling himself. He goes online. People take a shot at him. Now he's into his feels. Now he gets emotional, does a Twitch stream, and says stuff he regrets. It's all over the New York Post. It sounds good. I'll just do my own thing. Like, everybody's got a podcast. and then they find out nobody actually lasts very long or makes any money on it.

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556.744 - 577.851 Colin Cowherd

Everybody's got one, though. Everybody can do their own press conference. Wouldn't it be great if it was that easy? There's a reason you should do that press conference with a team representative nearby where it's limited, where you don't have a cocktail, you're not into your feels, it's quick, easy, out, and it doesn't... Yeah, I always say this. You don't want to make a loss to...

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577.831 - 595.629 Colin Cowherd

You don't want to make a bad quote three. Like sometimes brevity and the team controlling the marketing promotion in your press conference is a good thing. Yeah, less is more. I mean, I try to tell you that all the time, Conley. You don't really want to listen. But Carmelo has a decent point is that you can build your following through that.

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595.869 - 608.024 Colin Cowherd

But like you said, the problem is you pop off, say something where you regret. You got to go to the facility the next day and shoot around. How many reporters are there? How many people have ever gotten a job promotion because of what they did on X?

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609.986 - 633.164 Colin Cowherd

Well, you're starting to see some new hires out there who guys who just built up an online following and they're getting hired because the employer now thinks, oh, this guy has 500,000 followers on Twitch. That's going to be now 500 new listeners. It doesn't totally work like that, but companies are trying. Good luck. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.

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And thanks for stopping by.

634.846 - 658.827 Colin Cowherd

The Herdline News. It was interesting. Sometimes there'll be a stat or a number or a story or something that just is crazy. And when Jason Temp was on and he talked about since LeBron has arrived as a Laker, when he's on the floor, you know, plus, you know, 10,000. When he's off the floor, they're minus 2,000. And he's had Luke and Anthony Davis.

658.847 - 663.273 Colin Cowherd

Jason Tempo on whether the Lakers have actually failed LeBron the last eight years.

664.555 - 685.243 Jason Temp

They've had LeBron for eight seasons now. And I'd argue there's been two seasons where they clearly came into the season with like, this is a championship level roster. The truth of the matter is, is when LeBron has been in a Lakers jersey, he has covered for and carried that team through management errors.

Chapter 4: Why did the Sixers fire GM Daryl Morey?

839.14 - 851.073 Colin Cowherd

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851.533 - 865.148 Timbo

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868.508 - 890.074 Colin Cowherd

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890.474 - 897.865 Carlos King

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I like the bougie style of Housewives show. I think it looks like it's gonna be interesting.

902.995 - 925.219 Colin Cowherd

On the podcast, Reality with the King, I, Carlos King, recap the biggest moments from your favorite reality shows, including the Real Housewives franchise, the drama, the alliances, and the tea everybody's talking about. As an executive producer in reality television, I'm not just watching it. I understand the game. As somebody who creates shows, I'll even say this.

925.86 - 944.404 Colin Cowherd

At the end of the day, when people are at home, they want entertainment. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And with that, Chris Broussard is joining us live. Is it LeBron's last game as a pro?

945.345 - 965.908 Colin Cowherd

There's two other stories out today I saw where he was a little offended when they didn't give him a game ball after he broke Kareem's scoring record. I mean, a lot of this stuff is Rich Paul. It's positioning. I mean, this morning, this afternoon, Chris, when you look at LeBron, do you think he's back next year?

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the Lakers' roster changes?

1166.845 - 1193.438 Chris Broussard

And, and Phil Jackson, the great, like they had great coaches and Jerry West is a front office guy. And then they were always able to get the great players. It wasn't with the sophistication that a lot of these organizations function with, even in the past, the near past. But now, as you mentioned, you see how the Dodgers do things. This is going to benefit the Lakers.

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1193.758 - 1217.058 Chris Broussard

There's no question about it. Those guys are willing to spend money. Obviously, there's a salary cap in the NBA, but that's still, you know, you can go over the cap if you're willing to pay the aprons and things like that. And these guys have shown with the Dodgers, No, we are willing to spend whatever it takes to win and get the best players. So that bodes well for the Lakers.

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1217.519 - 1229.125 Chris Broussard

And this summer, Colin, they'll have close to $50 million to spend in free agency. And the other teams with money, Chicago, the Nets in Brooklyn, Utah.

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1229.105 - 1255.129 Colin Cowherd

they aren't that attractive to teams now i know it's not a ton of great free agents out there but there are the type of guys available that you can put around luca and begin to build for the future daryl morey uh got whacked in philly uh josh harris many speculate uh not the easiest guy to work for uh now the new gm probably wants his own coach not sure what it means for nick nurse generally not good

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1255.109 - 1273.572 Colin Cowherd

I think the Embiid extension, especially after he had some meniscus taken out of his knee in, like, February, and by September they signed the extension, guaranteed max extension. Then after you do that, you have to make it work, so you're going to take more risks. Paul George, you know, I keep hearing, well, they had to do this and they had to do that.

1273.832 - 1295.14 Colin Cowherd

The Knicks at one point were interested in Embiid years ago. You could have moved off him, but it was the Knicks, it's a rival. Did you – I mean, I think the Embiid signing – put a ton of pressure. It was so discussed and talked about. I think that, because he did some good things. He drafted well, Edgecombe and Maxey. Why do you think he got whacked?

1295.677 - 1317.037 Chris Broussard

No, it was warranted. It was warranted. He's been there several years, had not obviously gotten it done even to a conference championship. He had several different coaches. I think it was smart of Philadelphia, Colin, to keep Nick Nurse. He's a good coach. He obviously won a championship in Toronto. But to your point, usually a GM may want his own coach.

1317.057 - 1335.254 Chris Broussard

He won't get rid of Nick Nurse, but it might mean the leash on Nurse is pretty short. But as far as Daryl Morey, Yeah, the Embiid contract completely, I mean, he had to go. And Darryl's been a good executive, obviously, in the league, in Houston. He's been a good executive.

1335.714 - 1371.013 Chris Broussard

But that contract, I'm sorry, there was no reason to give Joel Embiid this three-year, $193 million extension that begins this year. Joel Embiid is done as a franchise player. I know he's great when he plays, And 75% of the time he plays, he's at 75%, right? Physically, he might give you a handful of games a year where he's 100%. So you just can't count on him. You'd love to move him.

Chapter 6: How does Chris Broussard evaluate LeBron's future in the NBA?

1469.092 - 1495.315 Chris Broussard

What are you talking about? Look at him now. All right. And three, I said, now he's got a long way to go. But Colin, I said, he could be the GOAT. He could make the LeBron Jordan debate For second place, or irrelevant if you want to go that far. He could be that guy if he stays healthy and lives up to his potential. So yeah, I do think he's the best player in the world.

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1495.335 - 1523.786 Chris Broussard

You saw what Gobert did with Jokic, and you see what Wimby is doing to Jokic. He might only score 17 points, but he might have seven blocks and 15 rebounds and impact the game that way. Or he might have 37 points, 12 rebounds and four blocks and impact the game that way. He's the most versatile player in the league. You saw the pass he did that had Gobert spinning like a top.

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1523.826 - 1527.37 Chris Broussard

He can even pass the ball. So there's nothing really that he can't do.

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1527.73 - 1546.61 Colin Cowherd

Listen, all you need to know is this. If LeBron's the best player in the world ever, Wemby does things already that LeBron can't do. I mean, LeBron can't dominate the calculus defensively like that. He can't literally change an offense. I mean, think how good MJ is. There are things Wemby does Michael couldn't do.

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1547.291 - 1569.216 Colin Cowherd

I mean, basically, Kobe could do about 90% of Michael, but Michael had bigger hands, had a little bit stronger game. But I mean, most of the time with great players, you see parts of their game that could be duplicated. There are things Wemby does Jokic can't do, Michael can't do, Bird, Dunkett can't do. So I think, hey, I was behind you. I'm three for three on those takes.

1569.316 - 1570.798 Colin Cowherd

Nick's probably 0 for three.

1570.858 - 1585.072 Chris Broussard

I'm three for three on all of them. He is a combination. This sounds crazy, but am I wrong? He's a combination of Kevin Durant and Giannis. A combination of Kevin Durant and Giannis. I mean, come on.

1585.453 - 1595.166 Colin Cowherd

He's a combination of Kevin Durant, Giannis, and Kareem, Lew Alcindor's first three or four years in the league when he ran the floor well. Right, right.

1595.647 - 1621.553 Chris Broussard

Well, you make it interesting. You bring up Kareem. I do think, Colin, I think Kareem, I think Shaq, I think those are two guys, and I may be missing one or two. Ralph Sampson, obviously, had he stayed healthy. They could have done a lot of the things Wimby does. They could have been guys that were great on the perimeter, but at that time, it just wasn't accepted if you were a center.

Chapter 7: What makes Wembanyama a potential game-changer in the league?

1711.607 - 1726.124 Colin Cowherd

And Vince Young, Texas high school football. He looks like an NFL defensive end playing high school football quarterback in Texas high school football, which is pretty darn good. It's the Herd.

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1726.144 - 1742.265 Robert Smigel

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy? Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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1742.285 - 1761.336 Robert Smigel

This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between-songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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1761.356 - 1778.439 Timbo

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Tim Bowe. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines.

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1778.639 - 1798.257 Timbo

We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight reel. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered.

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Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more, follow Timbo Slice Life 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection.

1824.134 - 1834.587 Jason Temp

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1834.607 - 1854.791 Colin Cowherd

We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually need people in connection.

Chapter 8: What are the latest developments in the NBA draft rumors?

1998.597 - 2029.364 Colin Cowherd

Caleb Williams is just different. Never gets hurt. So, yeah, I mean, I would say take out Wilt and Russell. Take him out. If I had to put Akeem... Kareem, Shaq, Wemby, Jokic in order. I would probably go Kareem number one. Because Kareem was also a dominant defensive player. I'd probably... Yeah, it gets tough. I'm not even sure. Can I do this in a year and I'll have Wemby?

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2030.406 - 2056.793 Colin Cowherd

Because, I mean, Jokic offensively is the best, but he's probably the weakest defensively. You know, Jokic is best offensively, weak defensively, where Hakeem was good with both. Shaq was dominant both. Wemby's better defensively than offensively. So right now, I'd probably go Hakeem, two, Shaq, three, Wemby, Jokic, four, Wemby, five. Again, in one year, Wemby could be two.

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2057.397 - 2075.901 Colin Cowherd

And in his prime, there was just nothing like Kareem. He was a dominant defensive player, could score on anybody, couldn't block a shot. They asked him one time, who gave you the most trouble? He's like, Nate Thurman. And Nate Thurman was a good player. He was a tough guy, played for Cleveland. I grew up with Nate Thurman. He was a tough guy.

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2075.921 - 2097.991 Colin Cowherd

He was a smaller center, but he was a good defensive center. You know, trunky, pushed you around. I bet you Kareem averaged 30 against him. So, Colin, let me ask you, are you kind of rooting for Wemby to beat the Thunder and win the title? Or like, what's your best scenario? Because if he does win this chip this early, this is your three. Oh, it's over. I mean, OKC is the only challenger.

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2098.952 - 2119.839 Colin Cowherd

I root for dynasties. Everybody tells me they hate dynasties and the numbers go up. I like dynasties. Now, not all dynasties. Duncan dynasty was boring. Saban dynasty was boring. Chiefs dynasty is a little boring. No, it was a pretty good day, I think. Everybody's saying, what about Moses Malone? He had a good career. That's fine.

2119.919 - 2121.141 Carlos King

He's a great rebounder.

2122.403 - 2143.903 Colin Cowherd

Great rebounder. I think the best case scenario for the NBA is Wemby to win the title this year. Wemby is 22. The Joker at 22 had never been an all-star. and was averaging 18 and 10, and was bad defensively. Wemby's easily the best defensive player in the league, and he's, on certain nights, he's the most dominant offensive guy in the league.

2143.923 - 2148.469 Colin Cowherd

Yeah, didn't somebody say that Wemby Nyama was the best prospect in sports history?

2148.59 - 2148.99 Timbo

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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