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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

THE HERD - Hour 3 - Matt Hasselbeck stops by The Herd

21 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.

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5.228 - 21.811 Colin Cowherd

Hey guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

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22.092 - 33.227 Colin Cowherd

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but you know. Tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

118.073 - 123.68 Matt Hasselbeck

Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of Aaron Rodgers' last season announcement?

621.239 - 636.981 Colin Cowherd

And everyone, you know, when I first got to Green Bay, they would talk about how it's a small market team. Well, our first game that year was in Tokyo against the Kansas City Chiefs. And, you know, I don't know, I probably saw 300 cheeseheads in Tokyo. So I think it's an international team.

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It's a team that has a fan base that is everywhere, even though they happen to play in a small city in Green Bay.

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643.689 - 664.032 Colin Cowherd

I think the thing that I saw with Aaron Rodgers, and this happens sometimes when you're in an organization for a long period of time, and people rise up the ranks there and kind of puff out their chest, like, oh, I'm the reason, and we're the reason that we have won Lombardi's here, and da-da-da-da. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is like, mm, hold on here.

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664.012 - 683.772 Colin Cowherd

I was the reason, or I was a bigger part of the reason why we were winning Lombardi's here. Not this new coach or new staff person or person upstairs. It's a very red tape organization because there is no owner. I remember being there for a special kickoff for like the centennial type season for the Packers.

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684.193 - 699.35 Colin Cowherd

They wouldn't let Desmond Howard work out in the weight room on the treadmill because it was against team policy. There's some things that are just super annoying. He was an MVP of the Super Bowl. There's been three in Green Bay at that point. So what are we doing?

699.591 - 721.415 Colin Cowherd

And I think those are some things that can kind of frustrate you if you're someone like Aaron Rodgers that's just obsessed with getting back and hoisting another Lombardi. You got people in the building that maybe... man, you're annoying to me. You don't see it the way I see it. I don't want to be near you. And I think that's some of the rub. It's not so much head coach, quarterback.

Chapter 3: When do QBs know it's time to retire?

721.755 - 744.575 Colin Cowherd

It's a great organization. Don't get me wrong. It's awesome. But because there is no owner, there are some challenges that feels like you're working through a governmental organization instead of being like, hey, Jerry Jones, can we get this done, please? Thank you. What exact years were you in Green Bay? What years were those? I was there 98, 99, 2000.

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744.635 - 767.932 Colin Cowherd

So head coaches were Mike Holmgren and then Ray Rhodes and then Mike Sherman. Quarterback coaches were Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and then Tom Rossley, Daryl Bevel. So you had some turnover in three years. Sure did. And, you know, I think part of the exciting thing for us is they were coming off of two consecutive Super Bowls and everything was on the up and up.

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Like Mike Holmgren, Ron Wolfe, it was just like this match made in heaven. And then Ron Wolfe retired. Mike Holmgren left to go to Seattle. Andy Reid left to go to Green Bay. There was a lot of like, you know, the people that had hoisted that Lombardi were all out of the building pretty quickly.

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784.617 - 801.522 Colin Cowherd

And so, you know, I saw it with Brett Favre and he, you know, resurfaced with Mike McCarthy when he came back. And then Aaron Rodgers obviously took over and then Ted Thompson was there and then Ted Thompson left. It's a lot of, there's been a lot of turnover, even though there's been some consistency. I do think that there's some turnover there.

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801.843 - 823.394 Colin Cowherd

And the people that have kind of been through it, through thick and thin, you know, I think that can happen in an organization, especially when you're the guy pulling the trigger, you know, winning all the MVPs that Aaron Rodgers has won. Yeah. Before we let you go, Justin Herbert, not at OTAs. Lamar Jackson didn't show up. Aaron famously went to Egypt after a couple days.

823.635 - 844.405 Colin Cowherd

Are OTAs overrated for veteran quarterbacks? No, not really, but they're not all the same. There's a phase one, a phase two, a phase three. I think phase three is the most important part. So this week, I believe, would be phase three for the Baltimore Ravens. I would love to see Lamar there. Not because he needs it, but he's got two young wide receivers that were drafted this year.

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He's got a young left guard that's there. It would be such a benefit to the team. Obviously, a new head coach. Yeah. So, again, it's not for you necessarily. Like, Brett Favre wouldn't come to some of the stuff in the offseason. I benefited as the quarterback that got to run with the ones. But I think the team would have benefited had Brett been there instead of me. Fair enough.

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Good seeing you, my man. Have a great weekend, Colin.

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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. It would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is The Fifth Hour? I'll tell you, it's a spinoff of the Ben Maller Show, a cult hit overnights on FSR.

Chapter 4: How does a quarterback's age impact their decision to retire?

933.035 - 949.613 Colin Cowherd

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it, and... Well, we were thinking of originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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960.645 - 969.416 Colin Cowherd

Oh, wow. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy. Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between-songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Chapter 5: How does Aaron Rodgers compare to Tom Brady?

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1113.201 - 1138.757 Colin Cowherd

J-Mac, it's your turn with the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, we got game two Eastern Conference Finals tonight at the Garden. Knicks currently five and a half point favorites. You know, I'm on the Knicks first half minus three. I'm just curious. You think the Cavs can bounce back from that loss? That was a devastating loss.

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Up 22 with about seven and a half minutes left to just choke that away. Donovan Mitchell, by the way. Did not score in the final seven minutes. He ran out of gas. I don't know, Colin. I can't make a case for the Cavs here. Cleveland didn't just play seven games with Detroit. Detroit plays defense. Detroit beats you up. Detroit leans on you. So now the teams are equally rested.

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But I was surprised how much energy Cleveland played with in game one. The Knicks were predictably out of sync. Offensively, they just couldn't get it right. Not totally predictable. I thought the Cavs' first three quarters were great, and then they just hit a wall. But they didn't just go seven games. Detroit's super. In the Eastern Conference, Detroit's the most physical team.

Chapter 6: What will Aaron Rodgers be remembered for in his career?

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Remember that? Yeah.

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Brunson, what a player.

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All right, let's stick in the NBA. They announced the all-rookie teams, Colin. No major surprises here. Cooper Flagg, obviously, on the first team with Conn Knipple. Edgecombe, Dylan Harper, and Cedric Cowherd, who was great for the Memphis Grizzlies. Ace Bailey making the second team. It's funny. For most of the season, Conn Knipple was like... Oh my, what a steal in the draft.

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I can't believe people didn't take him earlier. Conn Knipple in the play-in was awful.

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Chapter 7: How does leadership style affect a quarterback's performance?

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Okay. And now we have Dylan Harper of the Spurs. Oh, that's why they took him second overall. Because here we are deep in the playoffs. Remember, 82 game regular season. Now Dylan Harper's on what? Playoff game number close to like 15, 20. He's at like game 97. He played like 30 at Rutgers last year. And he continues to be awesome. Feels like a pretty strong rookie class, no?

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1287.813 - 1314.037 Colin Cowherd

Yeah, I mean, that is a... Ace Bailey's good, too. I don't know, man. That is about as good a first-team all-rookie team as we've had in a long time. Dylan Harper could be all-NBA next year. Cooper Flagg could be all-NBA next year. Two of the starting five. And the other guys are really good. It's a loaded class. That's a loaded class. And this year's coming group. Oh, boy. Lock in.

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Ace Bailey doesn't. He didn't want to play in Utah. So that's the interesting one. Well, there's still some chatter. He could get moved to Washington if the Jazz move up from two to one instead of Walker Kessler. Ace Bailey, I know you wanted Washington. Washington scattered him heavily. Go to Washington. Give us the number one pick. We'll see what happens. Final story, Colin, is to the NFL.

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The Cleveland Browns, the mistake by the lake. It's a fun quarterback competition. Do you want to call it that or controversy? It's Shadur Sanders versus Deshaun Watson and Todd Munkin. Remember, he was supposed to talk to Deion Sanders at some point. Anyway, here's Todd Munkin talking about the battle between the two quarterbacks.

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Deshaun's athleticism shows up. Obviously, he's had that, but he's had his moments. his injuries that have set him back. So, but that's been, I wouldn't say a surprise, but it's exciting to see. It's a weapon for him. It's one of his superpowers is athleticism. And I think Shadur's come miles in terms of his progressions, getting the ball out, his understanding of concepts.

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I think he's really, really come a long way.

1388.101 - 1412.52 Colin Cowherd

Yeah, I'm really, the Shador thing is I think, you know, and I think Deion Sanders can rub people the wrong way. And I think a lot of his stuff is, you know, it's superficial, whatever. I don't think he's a great coach. I think he's kind of interesting, whatever. But I still, I thought, I'll say this. I think Shador was underdrafted. I'll say it now. I say it again.

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Maybe he's not a first round pick. I thought he was late first, early second. But first of all, when you tell me he's not athletic, I watched when he played. He escapes the pocket better than a third of the league. When you tell me he didn't have a big arm. It's good enough. He throws a very nice deep ball. When you tell me he's kind of wild, I think he throws accurately, moving left, right.

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Now, he doesn't have great physical training. He's not super big, super strong, super armed, super mobile. He's B-ish at almost everything. Right. I mean, he's not. He doesn't have a arm, a physicality, a athletic ability, a size. He doesn't. Okay, that's fine. But you can... Not every quarterback. I mean, where was Matt Ryan's A? Where was Kirk Cousins' A? Those guys, Dak Prescott.

Chapter 8: What challenges do quarterbacks face in small market teams?

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Brock Purdy's superpower is... Process it. Yeah, and that's good. That counts. But, you know, that's why I say Shadur would have to become an elite processor because he's not going to develop a huge arm, huge size. So you compensate. Brock Purdy is a great example. How do you compensate? Drew Brees. You are unbelievable pre-snap. You are orchestrated.

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So if Shadur is willing to put the time in and Brees didn't get there overnight. Brock played so much in college, by the end of year one, everybody was like, no, this guy's, I mean, he started all through high school, all through college. So Brock Purdy had a lot of starts. Shadur has to be so good at the offensive line, and this is where Dak has developed. Dak is great pre-snap. Dak is tough.

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1737.918 - 1757.805 Colin Cowherd

Dak really gets the game. He's seen everything. And it takes an absolute commitment. You don't have to be great pre-snap if you're Big Ben, Cam, or Josh Allen in your prime. If you're good, if you're okay, you can still get to Super Bowls. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

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And thanks for stopping by.

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The Herdline News. Jay Mack, I just got to ask you a question. Isn't a mentalist just a magician without the props? And we'll talk about that next.

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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

1781.12 - 1792.432 Colin Cowherd

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Yeah, a pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

1799.32 - 1814.558 Colin Cowherd

So how did we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it, and... Well, we were thinking of originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

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