The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD – HOUR 3 – NBA Draft: Dybantsa v Peterson, Greg Olsen:
22 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What insights does John Hollinger provide about NBA draft prospects?
So they need, and this, this draft is stacked with guards, especially in the bottom end of the lottery, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. There's some really interesting guards here. And again, Cooper flag does everything. Well, he's not really a play initiator, but He needs that. And Clay and Kyrie are not going to be the answer long-term.
So here's Dusty May on our show after they had won the title at Michigan. We actually just finished a Zoom before I jumped on, Colin. Literally, we finished the game the other night. We get back to the hotel at 2 a.m. There's a reception for friends and family and those that are associated with the program. And so we have a couple pops and some food.
And I think I slept an hour, got up and did the whole morning show circuit. We flew back. And as we landed, my wife looked at me and said, are you coming home? And I gave her the side eye and said, no, this... These next two weeks are they are our Super Bowl.
And if we have if we want to have a chance, a chance to play in Detroit 365 days from now, then we've got to hit these next two weeks and fill some holes. OK, so this is a reason I think there's a couple of reasons Dusty May has taken this job. I think like Brad Stevens, late 40s, really sharp. I think his basketball curiosity and his aspirational nature.
I think college basketball is too small for him. The second thing is Cooper Flagg. You've got your star to build around. Well, John Hollinger is a perfect guest for today, senior writer of The Athletic. He's a lifetime achievement guy at Sloan Analytics, former vice president of the Memphis Grizzlies. His big board is out for the draft, and it is.
I mean, NIL, I'm going to argue this all day long, it makes college basketball better. And I feel like you get a more mature adult heading into the NBA. I think the first nine or ten picks, I like all of them. And John is joining us live, and we appreciate that. draft tomorrow. This stuff is fascinating. I want to start with Dusty May, who I said I think he's very Brad Stevens.
I think intellectually, I think his curiosity, he just feels sometimes college basketball can be kind of turbulent. You're not sure where it's going to land. They've got three picks. He just came out of a sport where he knows the personnel. What do you make of the draft, the Mavericks, Dusty May? John, how does it land for you?
Well, hopefully it works out better than the last Michigan coach who went to the NBA. Dusty Mays is about 20 years younger and is, I think, much more suited to make this transition. I think the thing that stands out is that he's won at different places within different kind of environments. I mean, he took Florida Atlantic to a Final Four, which is... unbelievable.
It's kind of similar to Brad Stevens taking Butler to consecutive finals. Right. And, and then obviously he had just an awesome dominant team at Michigan and really made it, made it work with kind of three big guys playing at the same time, which doesn't, you know, You kind of need to be a little creative to get that to really function. And he did.
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Chapter 3: How does NIL impact the maturity of college basketball players entering the NBA?
And if you had a warning for your Cam Newton team that looked like the most electric group of players, and a year later it fell off a cliff, what would be your warning to Seattle? Because it looked like Carolina was going to last forever. Yeah. And I think it's something we look back on and amongst the guys, we still talk about it a lot.
And, you know, I think there's always a lot of factors, right? I think so often, especially in a sport like football, where there's no best of sevens, there's no best of fives, right? It's one day who played better. And the best team doesn't always necessarily win in any round of the playoffs, doesn't always necessarily win the Super Bowl. You can't wake up and say, OK, tonight didn't go our way.
Let's roll the ball out there for game two. We'll be a lot better. Like you get one shot at it. So that that was something that we felt our year. We did feel like we were among the best teams, if not the best team in the league. We had rolled throughout the playoffs. And we played our worst game of the year in the Super Bowl. And, you know, obviously our defense did well.
We turned the ball over a ton. We just we were scoring 30 plus a game and we scored 10 in the Super Bowl. So saying all that, I think there's an element of there is an element of luck. Did you stay healthy? Did games go your way? Did you get all the bounces? I do think some of those games that year bounced our way. And then the next year you lose those one score games.
I do think one score games is the thing that seems to kind of regress to the mean teams that rely on taking the ball away, winning tight games, typically year in and year out. That doesn't necessarily translate. So health is a huge factor. I think one of the issues that we faced was we said, all right, we're going to bring all of our guys back and we're going to do the exact same thing.
We ate the same food. We ate the same food. Wednesday was the same tradition Thursday, but every team, is a new team. There is a new spirit. There is new expectations and personalities. And whether the guys in the uniforms have the same name and the same number, every season is so unique.
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Chapter 4: How does Dusty May's coaching style compare to Brad Stevens?
And I think if we could look back on that year and do it all over again, instead of trying to be the 2015 Panthers again, we needed to find who were the 2016 Panthers, what would make us tick, what would be our new kind of rallying cry to build behind and try to build off that momentum. We didn't do a great job of doing that, and obviously that season was a big disappointment.
So we're about a month away or so from the camp starting up, right? So all the teams you watched last year, now the New England Patriots last year, and I thought this was kind of an easy one. I said the coach, the coordinator, Drake May, they're going to double their win total. I did not think they'd get to the Super Bowl. I think the New York Giants, to me, feel like it this year.
Like, I like their players. I like their draft. I like the coaching move.
but when you do games you get in town earlier you you have a different feel you also played in this league so you have connections if i told you pick a team that that maybe didn't make the playoffs that i would be shocked that you played saw last year or have connections to that you're like they're gonna win 10 games and none of you see it coming Yeah, so last year, you mentioned New England.
That was a good choice. My pick last year was the Bears. I thought there was a lot of wins on that roster. I thought there was a lot of talent. I think Ben Johnson coming over and the ascension of Caleb Williams and just him improving from early on in his career with more of an offensive-driven mind.
So I thought when I looked at the roster, I said, okay, the Bears roster, that organization, there's a lot of wins built in, whether they've added pieces or not. So that was my choice last year. You said who I would pick, though. I think the Giants this year. I think you look back on last year's team, the way they lost some of those games, the endings to the game, the management, the bad breaks.
We talked earlier on how do you have a magical run. They're insane.
is an element of luck there is an element of certain games just bouncing your way and some years it seems like you get all the breaks and you win all the close games and then other years no matter what you do no matter how much you study game management and timeout usage you just can't find a way to finish a game it felt like that was the case with the giants last year
And of course they had a ton of their young offensive talent get injured. They got to keep Jackson dart healthy, figuring out how to run him and not. So that's going to be something they'll monitor. I love their draft. I love the pieces that they added. I think their defense is better than they performed last year.
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Chapter 5: What are the strengths and weaknesses of top NBA draft prospects like Cam Boozer?
He runs like a deer. He needs to come to TEU next year. I'm giving him an invite. He's the soccer Gronk that he needs to come get out to Nashville next year. That guy is an absolute animal and he has a lot of fun to watch. And, uh, There's not a lot of guys walking the planet that look like him and run like him. Yeah. Greg Olson, tight end university, six years, starts tomorrow.
Good seeing you, buddy. Good seeing you, man. Take care. You bet. Yeah, there is. There is like these comps, Jason Temp, before we go. There are some comps like Messi's very much Steph Curry, just like a constant technical excellence. This guy looks like Gronk. Mbappe's got kind of an NFL wide receiver vibe where you're like, he's just bigger, faster, stronger than guys.
And I think it's OK to be like we all have sports. I grew up loving football. You're a basketball guy. But and I'll be the first to admit you wrap the flag around sports. Hockey, soccer, it's different. I found myself at night, turn the TV on, keep it on all day. And I know you feel the same way. Colin, still to this day, one of my favorite memories as a basketball fan is Team USA versus Serbia.
There's just nothing like it when you're watching it on this stage. Erling Haaland is incredible. I'm in a goals league with J-Mac and some other guys from the volume, so we drafted dudes from all the teams and just were tallying goals over the course of the tournament. And so I got Haaland as my first pick, and I watched him for the first time last week, and I was like, oh yeah, I picked right.
I did good on this one. Jason, as always, you're great. You can catch him hoops tonight at the volume. His podcast started as Laker blogger does the entire league. Now he's so good at it. And John, Jason, I appreciate you stopping by today. Thanks Colin. This was a blast. I'm looking forward to next time, man. All right. John Hollinger at the athletic, the big board is out.
We'll put him on the, on the podcast as well. Greg Olson was sensational. Stu Holden always. Okay. France five Eastern on Fox. You want to see talent? layers of it teams of it depth and skill tenacity motor everything france it's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag whoever you root for why do i watch the world cup that's like asking me why do i breathe
and it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit.
It's not just a game. It's your culture.
I like watching it with my dad.
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