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What's Wright - Will Spurs SURVIVE? Thunder back-to-back CHAMPS? + Brunson best Knick EVER? | Nick Wright NBA
28 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: Will the Spurs survive Game 6 against the Thunder?
I know Ryan Clark, so shout out to those folks. One very quick sports Emmys anecdote. And then I'm going to get to the thing that I really want to discuss here, which is I did not have a problem with us not winning. There was something that happened at the sports Emmys that I did have a bit of a problem with that I want to address. But again, this is not sports media beef. It's the opposite.
It's I'm building somebody up. So here's the deal. I was also a presenter, Demanzei. which was really cool and an honor. And while I wanted First Things First to win, once we were nominated, I was very clear with you guys how badly I wanted to win.
you know, there's five nominees, you know, so say if it's, you know, you have a one in five chance, even if you think, you know, you should be the favorite or whatever, that's still probably only a one in four chance. I kept my expectations very measured until I showed up to rehearsals for the presenter part. And you don't know this. I showed up to rehearsals
And they're like, hey, so you're actually presenting awards 41 to 43. And they were like, and it's kind of perfect timing because the award you guys are nominated for is award 40. And I'm like, wait, so the award that we're nominated for is the award right before I present. And they were like, yeah, that's just how it fell.
And in my head, I'm like, well, obviously, I could be presenting anything. It's going this way because they know that I'll be on stage accepting the award and then just go into the presentation. Especially because I was like, man, you're like, because about 10 minutes before you present, you have to go backstage and get in line and be ready and make sure everything's set up.
So for about eight hours, I was just like, we're going to win. I was like, there's no way that they would have, you know, set it to where do you like that? Well, I just think it was bad luck. So let me paint the picture. We're two and a half hours into the ceremony. They come get me from my seat because I have to go backstage because I'm going to present.
They then announce Sports Show Weekly, and I'm sitting backstage. They then are getting ready to announce Sports Show Daily, and they have me stand up and walk to where I'm one foot off stage. Because after Sports Show Daily gets announced and the winners come up, they then announce my name to start the next presentation.
And they do the best Sports Show Daily, and I already have a whole plan, like what I'm going to say, all this stuff. best sports show daily they do it nfl live and i'm like oh man like was i did my knees buckle a little maybe i'm not sure but i know that it was i was totally prepared not to win until day of when i was like i'm certainly winning and then within 30 seconds
they're announcing my name and I'm walking on stage and I am just blind like just I don't even so I hadn't even I was supposed to have like a pithy funny thing before I got into the announcement uh you know war the script for my uh my the awards I was presenting but In my head, I hadn't really planned any pithy, funny thing because I was, again, I was like, I will have just spoken.
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Chapter 3: What unfair treatment is Victor Wembanyama facing in the NBA?
How about how good is Mike Tirico? Tirico won the Emmy for play-by-play personality of the year. And he wasn't there because during the Emmys, he was calling the Western Conference Finals. He couldn't be there because while he was being awarded best play-by-play guy, he was doing play-by-play in the Conference Finals. So there's no shots at anybody. But nobody is doing what SVP is doing.
SVP is on site or in studio for every sport imaginable with a a seamlessness and an ease of personality and a likeability to where guys whether it's hockey basketball golf guys come on with him they know him they like him and he does all of that while also inserting when need be on sports center real opinion real take It's not just milk toast, you know, smiles and hugs.
He has become, for my money, the only person who's Sports Center the only Sports Center host who it feels like very his show feels like his show They have a bunch of awesome hosts but Sports Center when I was growing up all the different hosts or duos their shows had a feel and
whether it was the big show with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann, or Stuart Scott with Scott Van Pelt, like the different Rich Eisen show, Kenny Mayne, who was great. SVP is the only one, in my opinion, that is able to really carry that torch. And I can't believe he's never won. And it is... It was stunning to me to find out he's never won this award.
Now, you guys have heard me say before, Ernie Johnson, what he and Scott have in common are, I think they are the only two people in sports media, the only two with a 100% approval rating. Everybody loves him. Like, there is... Even my guy, KW. I think KW's approval rating is probably like 95%. There's a few Chiefs fans at this point he's irked. He's gotten under their skin.
He is... So Scott's just... I just can't believe he's never won it. And... The... And so for the voters out there, what I would say is for next year, when Scott gets nominated again, do I wish there was a bit of, you know, for that award, kind of the way sports leagues do MVPs, which is if it's tied, maybe it should go to the guy who hasn't won one.
And by the way, you know, I didn't go through it. I can't imagine how some of the Scott Van Pelt's of the late 90s and early 2000s felt when they were watching my pal Costas win his 9th and then 14th and then 18th award. It's like, Jesus, man. Like, what are we doing? What can we do here? But I just couldn't believe SVPs never won it. He also has...
Full disclosure, I certainly don't want anyone to accuse me being coached up on this take, given who my crew may or may not be. I...
i had never been in the same room as scott van pelt or shook his hand until tuesday night at the emmys so i've never been in person with him with that said he has been incredibly kind to me over the last decade via advice if i needed it reaching out to me i really really really
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Chapter 4: How can Adam Silver and the NBA address the flopping issue?
Nothing.
I mean, your fear.
Offensively, just real quick. He got nothing as far as give him the ball, let him cook. He had four made baskets. Three were on alley-oops. One was on a putback. So now go ahead. My fear on what? No, his motor. He just seemed to not be as much of an enforcer as he was earlier in the series. He looked a little tired. Well, so that's the... You're leading me right to it.
I said there's one thing Wimby needs to work on and one thing the Spurs need to work on. What Wimby needs to work on, in my opinion, is a go-to offensive move. I don't think he has one yet.
Part of that would be getting stronger and being able to be more in the post, but for him to go through the biggest game, and it's a little unfair, all of these games will be the biggest game of his career because he's so young, his first playoff run, but biggest game of his career and never even have a flurry. He made four baskets and it was one a quarter. Not like on average, like literally.
Made one in the first, one in the second, one in the third, one in the fourth. Because he couldn't get anything going offensively. So that's one piece of it. That's what he needs to work on. What the team needs to work on is... You can't kid Glove his minutes in the regular season and then expect him to be able to go 40 minutes a night every other night in the playoffs. He is not conditioned.
That is a Spurs problem. I don't think Wimby is not... physically able to do it at some point, but he needs to be building up the conditioning. He's doing the opposite. Demanze in high school used to sometimes walk around the school with that weight vest on. Am I making that up? Ankle weights, ankle weights. I don't think I wore the weight vest though. Not at school. Oh, okay.
The ankle weights though. But you had a weight vest.
I had a weight vest. No, I used it at home. 100%. Oh, okay.
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Chapter 5: What are the New York Knicks' chances in the Finals?
We'll get to the post-game thing in a minute. But as far as on the court, like, you're allowed to have bad games. But...
go ahead there's a look don't you see i think he's uh this whole thing with chet i think also might have played a little bit of factor in this game like him him seeing chet kind of eat it seems like it literally it physically gets to him like the the time that chet dunked on him like he's bumping into him like he literally doesn't want to see him score and i think on top of him having a bad night
and Chet having the best night of the series that he's had so far, I think goes hand-in-hand and makes him play even worse. So, listen, I think there's something to that.
Chapter 6: Who faces the most pressure on the Knicks roster?
I think he gets very emotional about some of this stuff. But I also think that... He's worn out. And part of that is that he did not build up the conditioning callous in the regular season with the crazy light workload. 29 minutes a game is wild. Basketball has changed a lot in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. Here is what has not changed. To win a championship,
If you have an MVP candidate, as you get deeper into the playoffs, the best adjustment any coach can make is, let's play him more. That's the adjustment. The adjustment is more minutes for our superstar. The only guy who...
that hasn't applied to quite as much of this era, he still plays more but not quite as many, is Steph, where they've always been very cautious with Steph and where they are judicious with his minutes with the rationale being, understandably, That, you know what, he is running around so much and he's smaller.
So because of that, we're not going to play him 40 plus minutes a night if we can avoid it. There have been still bit, but still. His first NBA Finals for Steph, 42 and a half minutes a night. The NBA Finals, they lost to the Raptors when they had kind of no choice because everybody was getting hurt. 42 minutes a night.
The NBA Finals in 2018 when they swept, and they did have a choice, 40 minutes a night. Even with Steph, they up it. Steph's never been like 44 a night, but... Just go look at... I mean, I'll do it right now, real quick. Joker, on the run to the championship. Second round against Phoenix, 39 minutes a night. Conference Finals against the Lakers, 42 a night. NBA Finals against Miami, 41 a night.
Joker, in fact, dating back to that Conference Finals against the Lakers, Joker has averaged... 41 minutes a night, or I'm sorry, 40-plus minutes a night in every series he's played because that's the way the team's going to win.
Giannis, en route to his championship, 40 minutes a night in the second round, 40 minutes a night in the NBA Finals, the series they lost to Monza in seven to your Celtics, 40 minutes a night.
lebron throughout his career i mean lebron's again lebron's played for so long that so the early in his career the minutes per game in the playoffs are cartoonish but just for context lebron's minutes per game his first seven playoff series demands they were 47 46 46 44 46 43 42 44 41. He didn't have a series where he played under 40 until 09 when they swept Atlanta in round one.
But again, when they won the championship in Cleveland in those finals 42 minutes a night, when they won the championship in the bubble in the finals 40 minutes a night, shit. His last five playoff series with the Lakers as a 38 to 42-year-old, LeBron, 43, 41, 41, 39, 38 minutes per night. That's what all of the best guys have to do.
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Chapter 7: What factors determine the success of the Thunder in the playoffs?
Because of his size and his unique injury risk, And how cautious they have to be with him smartly. How much will that impact his ability to get consistently to the level that the all-time legendary great guys have? Got to. And the guy... And again, I'm not just trying to read off box score stuff and we'll move on.
But the guy that I always say he is first chasing, greatest defensive player in 50 years, greatest international player, is Akeem. And it just... It... It warrants mentioning that... Akeem, in the midst of his prime, had a stretch. In fact, you know what? Forget his prime. I'll just go for Akeem's entire career in Houston, Demaze, 140 playoff games.
He averaged, averaged over his whole career, 40 minutes per game. Because that's simply what, that's the way teams win. And in his prime, he averaged 43 minutes per game. So why, you know, how could the Rockets do it? Well, they had to deal with basically two and a half minutes a half of not having Hakeem on the court. It's way easier to piece that together than...
Eight minutes a half, and I just don't think you can flip that switch on the fly. All right, should we talk some Wimby discipline here?
Yeah, so after game five, Wimby skipped media availability. The NBA gave him a warning. We also know that the league never suspended him for the Nas Reed elbow.
They just got him out for the rest of the game. Or fined him. Yeah, suspended or fined him. You think that Wimby's getting special treatment from the league? It's really, really weird that he was not fined for either of those things. And I can't figure out why they wouldn't fine. I understand he is typically great with the media. This is the conference finals. And here is my criticism.
Some guys hate talking to the media, right? Under all circumstances, they hate it. And so they really hate it when they've played poorly or their team has lost. In a weird way, and Amanze, you can tell me if you think I'm being unfair here. I have a little more respect for somebody who's just like, I hate the media. I don't want to answer your questions. I don't enjoy this.
If that person skips out after a loss, then someone who appears to love the media. Wimby holds court. Wimby talks about ethical basketball and playing the game the right way and why he's the MVP and the goals he's trying to reach. When he is being feted by the media, he's got plenty of time. But there have been two games.
No, there have been three games this postseason that he hasn't talked after. One, he got knocked unconscious on the floor. He's not supposed to talk after. This makes total sense. There's no complaints or criticism there. I don't want to be inaccurate in saying how many games he hasn't talked. I don't even think you're allowed to talk to the media in that moment. But that's one game.
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