Justice Minister Jim O'Callaghan on migration and Bertie Ahern's controversial comments
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Hello and welcome to this special edition of IndoPolitics with me, Mary Regan and Conall Thomas, where we sit down for a wide-ranging chat with the Justice Minister, Jim O'Callaghan. We talk about migration.
If you come to Ireland to claim asylum, you have to give your biometric data and you have to go to a screening centre. And if you don't do that, you'll be detained.
Those comments by the former Taoiseach.
I think it was inadvisable, inappropriate.
No racist.
I don't think it's racist. I don't think Bertie Hearn is a racist person.
And the long wait to become Fianna Fáil leader.
I'd say Le Mas for years was waiting with Devalier to ever move on, you know. He was there a very, very long time ago.
Is that something you can relate to? Thank you, Minister, for coming into our studios here in the Irish Independent in Independent House. Conall and I have a lot to discuss with you, but I just want to start with something that is a pretty live controversy right now. And that is the secret recording of the former Taoiseach Bertie Hearn at a doorstep in Dublin Central. And he was recorded as saying, the one thing I do worry about is the Africans. Do you see those racist comments as racist?
Well, I think they were inappropriate. And I'll come back to Bertie's comments in due course. But I also think it's important that we're able to have a discussion about immigration. And a lot of occasions when we're discussing immigration, it's in the context of something that gets heightened publicity, such as the comments of Bertie O'Hearn, or indeed a one-off attack, say, by a migrant in our community. So it's important that we're able to discuss it outside of individual examples of where people have found themselves engaged in something that's viewed as inappropriate. I think it probably was inappropriate of him because he was identifying that some people are less favourable than others because of where they emanate from in terms of the countries they emanate from.
And so in that respect, yeah, I think it was inadvisable, inappropriate. But not racist. I don't think it's racist. I don't think Bertie Hearn is a racist person. I've known him for a long time. In terms of the issues that we've had on this island, in terms of trying to stop sectarianism between Catholic and Protestant, particularly in Northern Ireland, I don't think there's anyone on the island who has done as much to build trust and links with the Protestant Unionist community in Northern Ireland as Bertie has. I think the comments were inappropriate, but I don't believe Bertie Hearn is a racist.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–9:26
2
What are Justice Minister Jim O'Callaghan's views on migration?
9:26–12:03
3
How does O'Callaghan perceive the long wait to become Fianna Fáil leader?
12:03–14:01
4
How did Bertie Ahern's comments impact the migration debate?
14:01–14:55
5
What are the implications of Bertie Ahern's remarks on racism?
14:55–15:57
6
What are the current challenges in Ireland's immigration policy?
15:57–18:15
7
What does O'Callaghan envision for Fianna Fáil's future?
18:15–32:25
8
How does the Minister address concerns about Islamic terrorism?
32:25–49:08
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