JD Vance To Rogan: "The Iran War Is Going Just Great!" w/ Prof. Marandi
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So J.D. Vance went on Joe Rogan. Let me set this up, actually. There's Russell Dobular, Phil again for Jimmy Dore here with Professor Morandi, our friend of the show. We're very glad to see safe sound looking very well. J.D. Vance went on Joe Rogan. and laid out his version of why this war seemingly keeps stopping and starting and stopping and starting. So this was his version of events. What's going on with Iran where it seems like the president keeps saying that a deal's been reached, negotiations have been successful, and then it all falls apart and we start bombing them again? Yeah, so...
How long do we have here? Because this is a long conversation. We have as much time as you need. So I have to explain a couple of things in the background so you sort of fully appreciate, people fully appreciate what's going on here. So number one, it's a bit of a simplification, but you have two elements within the Iranian system. You have, and you sometimes hear hawkish Americans say this, that they're all crazy people, they wanna bring about the 12th Imam and the apocalypse and all that stuff. There are people in Iran who believe that. They're also pragmatists. You've got the crazy people, you've got the pragmatists, okay? So when we struck this MOU, and really what the MOU says, and it was misrepresented more than almost anything that I've ever worked on in public life, what it says is, Iran is gonna open the Strait of Hormuz,
The violence is going to stop and then we're going to negotiate to see if we can come to a broader deal on the long term nuclear issue. That's what we wanted. And what the Iranians wanted, of course, was long term economic and sanctions relief. Now, here's here's the problem with where we are right now. And I guess my summary view, Joe, is that I, of course, can't predict the future. I don't know exactly where this is going to go, but I think fundamentally we are on the right trajectory. It's just going to be really messy and there's going to be a lot of stuff starts. So what happens the first week after we sign the MOU? We get 20 million barrels a day of oil out of the Strait of Hormuz.
What did JD Vance tell Joe Rogan about why the US‑Iran conflict keeps restarting?
That's what it was before the war. The price of oil comes way down. And there are elements, the hardliners in the Iranian system kind of freak out a little bit. They're like, oh, shit, did we just give away our major leverage point? Screw nuclear weapons. We just gave away the so in this MOU. And so there was this kind of freak out in their system. So they shot at the couple. We responded. I think that's entirely appropriate, of course, if they're going to shoot at ships. We're going to shoot at the people who are shooting at the ships or the facilities that they're using to shoot at ships. So that happens. Okay. And then the Iranians are like, oh, no, no, fine. You're right. We shouldn't have been shooting at ships.
So then they come back to the table. And there's a few more days of negotiation. And then the phase they're in right now is the hardliners have really, really reacted strongly to all the oil that's coming out of the Strait of Hormuz. And they basically said, we're going to try to shut this thing down. We're scared about losing our leverage. Now, the pragmatists in their system are saying this was a mistake. Let's keep on talking. And again, ultimately going to shake out. Of course, I don't. But what we're doing is a delicate diplomatic dance where we're using economic leverage points. We're using carrots and sticks. trying to talk to the pragmatists. And then, of course, when they commit acts of violence, we're responding to it.
And all those things are happening simultaneously to get us on a better trajectory. That said, yes, right now, there's shooting right now. Last night, they shot at some ships.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:03–2:50
2
What did JD Vance tell Joe Rogan about why the US‑Iran conflict keeps restarting?
2:50–6:09
3
How does Professor Marandi critique the 'pragmatists vs. hardliners' framing of Iran policy?
6:09–8:28
4
What did the memorandum of understanding (MOU) actually promise about the Strait of Hormuz?
8:28–34:15
5
Why does Marandi say Trump never intended to fully implement the Iran deal?
34:15–50:27
6
How did Iran respond strategically after the MOU and ceasefire were undermined?
50:27–55:55
7
What happened in the Ro Khanna vs. Jeremy Scahill exchange about Palestinian violence and international law?
55:55–1:01:16