Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Hello. Good to see you.
Hi.
What's cracking? How you been?
Thank you for having me back.
My pleasure. It's been quite a while.
It's so nice to see you. I know the first time I did your show, you were still in LA, which was five years ago, if you can believe it.
Was it really five years? Wow. Time flies.
And then the last time I saw you was over Skype when my book came out, The End of Gender. That was 2020, before you came here.
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Chapter 2: What is Dr. Soh's new project about?
Your funding is going to get pulled. You're going to end up homeless anyway. Might as well just go straight from A to B.
The Yuri Bezmenov interview from, I think it was 84? Yeah. Is so crazy because back then, I'm sure people were like, come on, this is nonsense. This is not. But if you look at it now in 2023, like... He was telling the truth. He has to have been telling the truth and that the Soviet Union had planned this out for generations and that they knew that this was going to be a 10, 20, 30-year project.
And it's been successful. And the fact that these academics, these people that we count on to think for us, we count on to be – you know, the shining light of intellectual discourse.
They have completely fallen captive to everything that he described and that they are sending that out into the world, this mind virus, and essentially eroding all of our confidence in government, all our confidence in civil discourse, all of our confidence in our ability to get along and to understand objective reality is... It's crazy that what he was saying is exactly what happened.
It's pretty brilliant, though, I have to say, the way that this has turned out for ideological people. If you're pushing that agenda and you've managed to convince an entire generation, because he was saying in the interview it's going to take 15, 20 years at least to clear out that way of thinking.
Because when you go to university, and I can definitely relate to that, when you are young and you're impressionable, You don't stop and think, maybe my professor is lying to me, or maybe my professor is trying to trick me into thinking in a very biased way, in a particular way, because they want to see certain changes in the world, and this is how they've chosen to do it.
Yeah, I guess they probably didn't know back in the 1980s that this is how it would unfold in terms of the internet and social media being so powerful in disseminating a particular way of thinking. But it's been very, very effective. And I think especially when you look at mental health, I know you're a big fan of John Haidt's work. I love his work as well.
You look at young people and how much they're struggling nowadays, and social media is a big part of that. So this new project I'm working on is really interested in looking at how do we get to this point? How is technology influencing our lives, and particularly our sex and dating lives?
Because I do think social media, apps, filters I know you've talked about, just everything in terms of how men and women relate to one another is almost completely upside down compared to, I would say, even a decade ago. So one thing that really stood out to me in recent months is this adoption of something called a positionality statement. I don't know if you've heard of this before.
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Chapter 3: How is academia being affected by ideological subversion?
And it basically discusses their race, their sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, all of their personal characteristics, traits, like basically identity markers. as a way to, I guess, apologize if they're white. Which is something white people should not have to do.
Especially if you're in the sciences, you shouldn't have to talk anything about your personal life because that has no bearing on what you're doing or what you find. It is so... cringeworthy. When I read these statements, it honestly feels like I'm reading a hostage statement. I feel so sad for these people because especially if they're white, they're like this one guy, this poor kid.
So usually it's in the context of a scientific paper that's being published. The editor will say, we are now adopting this. You have to include this as part of your submission. And if you don't include it, they're probably just going to throw your research in the trash when you submit it. But if you are a student, like you're doing a PhD or a master's,
Some schools will force you to include this as part of your dissertation or thesis. So I can't imagine when you go to defend at the end, when you're finished all your research and you're basically presenting it, you're being interrogated, having to add this cringeworthy statement. This one I read, it was this poor kid. He was saying, you know, I'm white. I'm from the U.S.
I have privilege in these ways.
they went to i think africa to do their research there so he was talking about how he might have been privileged over the people he was studying and then he went on to describe this the characteristics of his research partner who was also white but he's saying she's a white woman who's from here and she had this you know socio socioeconomic status and i just thought this is so irrelevant and it's also so uncomfortable that you would have to talk about your colleague in this way and i just can't believe that there are people who are actually on board with this so to me
Science is completely lost. I don't know how it's going to come back from this because I think the public is already extremely skeptical, as they should be. And so for me now, I'm like, all right, I guess I'm going rogue and just doing my own thing.
Well, a lot of journalists have found themselves in that same position too, right? A lot of people have just gone to Substack, people that were working for the New York Times and all these, you know, before very reputable institutions, and now they find themselves ideologically homeless.
Mm-hmm. Definitely. I mean, so I'm a journalist now, too. And I found the same thing that, you know, there were some left leaning media platforms that I could write for very easily before. When I last time I was on your show, I just want to clarify because I know a number of people quite upset with me when I said I was
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Chapter 4: What impact does social media have on dating and relationships today?
All this other nonsense is like a substitute for either hard work or a genuine thing that you've done that makes you exceptional. You're trying to get exceptional by wearing cat ears. That's not real.
It's actually sad. I mean, I sit here and I giggle a bit, but it is sad. It's I mean, like I've said in the past that in many of these cases, I think these young people actually have mental health issues that aren't being addressed.
And the adults and their teachers who are validating them are doing them a disservice because what they need is actually to probably get some professional help instead of being told what you think and feel is perfectly fine.
Yeah. I don't know how. Again, I don't know how that changes. It seems like it's moving further and further in that direction. And the Yuri Bezmenov thing that you brought up is really interesting because he didn't have any idea there was ever going to be a social media. This was all being done through academic institutions in their minds.
And they had subverted all these universities with Marxism and Leninism. And they were just teaching it to kids and telling them that communism is the way. Just no one's done it right yet. Right.
And what do you hear people saying today?
Yeah. So they're saying today. But they're saying it today and just like far more vitriolic statements. It's just it's weird. It's weird to watch. It's weird to watch because I think for sure it's not just Yuri Bezmenov's example of it. It's pretty obvious through social media.
through manipulation, through like troll farms and bot posts, and that there's a concerted effort to undermine our appreciation for what we have here, our belief in it, and it's very effective. It's incredibly effective.
I think when the sex robots take over, that's when we'll all come together.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Instagram's algorithm on content consumption?
Instagram's algorithm delivers toxic video mix to adults who follow children. Content served to Wall Street Journal test accounts included risque footage of kids, overtly sexual adult videos and ads for major brands. Yeah, that's the algorithm. That's the real problem with things finding out what you're engaging with.
And if you're a fucking creep and you're engaging with 10-year-old girls in their underwear, you're going to get a lot of that, I guess.
So Meta, in their defense, they said that they had... I don't want to misquote them, but they basically said they don't approve of this. I think they've taken steps to stop this from happening.
Chapter 6: How do social media platforms address harmful content?
They said in January of this year, they removed 34 million pieces of content from Facebook and Instagram.
That's a good start. It's probably a lot more out there. I mean, have you just... 34 million on two platforms. Well, this is one area of concern, but like murder... I see so many videos of people getting shot now. Because me and my friend Tom Segura, we do this thing every day. We find the worst things on Instagram. We send them to each other.
So every morning when I wake up, I see a text from Tom. I'm like, oh, Jesus. And then if I find something fucked up, I send it to him. So my Instagram algorithm is fucked up. Because it's like every time I scroll through my page, there's like a warning. Do you want to view this real? Are you sure? Yeah. And it tells you why, like what graphic image. And I'm like, let me see it. And you see it.
It's like, oh, God. Wow. And there's so many, I mean, horrific industrial accidents, gang shootouts, like just crazy shit. Wow. And it's obviously it's finding out that I'll engage with those things. So it's sending me a ton of them. So how is it doing that if it's trying to remove them? There has to be something that it knows that I'll engage with those so it will send me more of those.
Like I don't buy that this is just dumb luck because these aren't accounts I even follow. They're just showing up in my feed.
Well, I want to say I love Tom and Christina P. This is how much I use Instagram. Before I wrote about the Wall Street Journal's investigation, I was like, where is the Reels function on this app? So then I found it, and it shows you accounts, like you said, that you're not actually following.
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Chapter 7: What are the societal effects of changing gender roles?
If people are as technologically savvy as me, they have no idea what Reels actually does. So it will show you just from random people. So I think it's good that Meta is trying to clean up the platform and stop this.
But I guess I feel in my position and being so privileged to be on your show to draw awareness to this because I think there's so much talk culturally about grooming, people talking about how they don't like groomers. And I agree, I think a lot of education, I used to be very much in favor of sex education for kids.
I'm a little bit questioning that now because I see how that is also being used for ideological subversion. But I think in terms of talking about grooming, we also need to actually take steps to stop it from happening more broadly instead of just getting outraged about it. Because being outraged about it is not enough to help protect these kids.
Yeah, unless there's a wholesale investigation of like how these algorithms work.
work in the sense that like if there is a guy who's a grown man who is looking actively for young girl videos like how is he getting those how are they showing up at his feed are they showing up constantly like how do you not know that this guy is 60 years old and that he's getting videos of 10 year old girls in their underwear like you don't know this Or do you not care?
Or is the algorithm set up just to maximize interaction only? And it's amoral. And if this person looks towards that, says, look, we got a lot more of that for you. So that means it knows that it has murder on its platform. It knows that it has these horrific accidents and animal attacks and also overt sexuality of underage people. It knows that.
So if it knows, like how are you not taking steps to mitigate that? Like just removing stuff doesn't seem like it's enough because if you remove it, that means you can recognize it. So how can you not recognize it when it gets posted?
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Chapter 8: How does birth control influence women's dating choices?
Like if you're putting a warning up that tells me not to watch this, well, that means you know it's there. So what do you think it is? What does the computer think? What does the algorithm think is happening here? And why is it being allowed? Is it only being allowed because it maximizes interaction and that's good for profitability? Because that's what it seems like.
I would love to ask many of these questions if they would talk to me. I'll put it out there.
Yeah, that would be a very interesting conversation. Next time I get the Zuck on, I'll ask him about those. Because I don't even know... How much could one person really even be aware of what's happening? If you're the CEO of Instagram, how much time are they spending concentrating on the negative aspects of their algorithm?
Because it's obviously a real concern for parents, for society, for people that are worried about child predators, for all these things.
Yeah. I mean, I imagine they have their hands full with who knows what. They're busy people. There are billions of users. So many people complaining about tons of things.
I mean, they're essentially larger than any country. Which is nuts. It is. Like if you looked at Instagram as a country, if it was a group of – a collective group of people that all are in a thing, not on a patch of dirt but in an app, it's way bigger than any country. Didn't we find out the other day there's like 2.6 billion or something like that people on Instagram? That's insane.
Something along – let's see what the number is. But it's something in the neighborhood of roughly a third of the human population on the planet is on an app.
Posting pictures. Posting selfies.
Oh.
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