Chapter 1: What humorous observations are made about cult leaders and their need for guns?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oh yes yes it always begins yeah yeah the dimensional portal will open and then it ends with you can't your wife anymore but guess who can Yeah, what happens is first they start stockpiling guns. Yes.
Yeah, it seems like cult leaders have to have guns because their faith in their ability to see the universe and all the good and everything is not quite good enough. You need an AR. You need an AR to really get your point across. You need maybe some flash grenades. I mean, it is interesting. It doesn't feel like – it feels like I wouldn't do that. If you were running a cult?
Well, I wouldn't fuck your wife and make you, like, worship me. Well, you're a very nice guy. I'm one of the nicest guys in America. You're a very nice guy. I don't know anyone who doesn't like you, by the way. Is that true? Yes. I've never met anybody like, that guy's a dick. Oh, that's really cool. No one. I love that. Everybody likes you. You're a nice guy. I like, thank you.
You're a nice guy, too. Thank you. Yeah. I have made that a mark on my life. I want to be a good guy. Yes. It's a good thing to do. I try really, I work at it really hard. Well, you see people, by the way, and you see that they've made a decision. Yeah. Like, I met Sting, and I go, okay, Sting at some point along the line decided, I'm going to be, like, awesome. Yeah. That's going to be my thing.
I'm going to do yoga every day. Yeah, I'm going to come forever. He doesn't come. Right, he doesn't come. He always comes. Yeah. He's like, one of these guys. No, what I'm saying is he was so nice when I met him that he released. Oh, wow, interesting. Yeah. So sweet. I have it at home in my office as a little jar of stink gum. When he goes, he probably really goes.
I think, what is the deal with that tantric? That's why he says don't stand so close to me because he blasts you away. The tantric thing, they're supposed to have an internal orgasm, like they're supposed to absorb it internally. Right, right. I've never, I'm too lazy. Well, it takes time.
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Chapter 2: What insights are shared about the nature of kindness and personal character?
Yeah. You have to like discipline yourself and then you can come forever, I guess. It seems like you're thinking about your cum too much. That does seem like it. Spending so much time doing that. A lot of time focused on cum. I mean, there's probably a benefit in it, but every benefit that you get off of something that's a difficult endeavor is a detriment to something else.
What do you think the detriment? Oh, just your mental energy. Just the amount of time you're thinking about your jizz. It's fucking weird. I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, I guess you could say that about a lot of things, though, right? You could say that about, like, people who bodybuild, right? You could say that about, you know, maybe you're thinking too much about one thing.
Well, I guess that's a kind of... In a way, that's what this book that I just wrote is about. Show me your book. You wrote a book, dude. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I'm always very impressed and also very proud of people who write books. Because I know this is a fucking task, man. It's an endeavor. It's one that I like.
A lot of stand-ups really don't like it and they feel like it's homework. On stage, I do a lot of crowd work. That's kind of my thing. And this is the creative opposite of crowd work. It's not just your material. It's like mega your material. It's like you're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever. You should write a book.
I have thought about it many times and I had a deal to write one once but as I was writing it they were trying to get me to write it like stand-up and they wanted me to write it in a way that like was funny like you'd be on stage like how much laughs would you want per minute on stage Which I kind of don't really think about even stand-up that much. I just try to – I cut out the bullshit.
I edit things, you know, economy of words with bits. But I don't think like how many laughs I have per minute. They were like very specific about it. And then they said, how about this? Why don't you just transcribe your stand-up? And I was like, listen, I have a very different idea of what I want to write than you do. So I'm going to give you your money back. Yeah.
I gave them the money back and I said I'm – I'm just going to – if I'm going to write something, I'm going to write it on my own. And I did for a little while and then I stopped. But it was a lot of it – it was just like I only have so much time to write and I would rather write about ideas than I'm going to do on stage.
But I do have an idea about my – I've been working on it a little bit lately. So I'm thinking about actually going forward with this. It's about my time when I was in my really early 20s and I discovered pool halls. Oh yeah? I saw the two pool tables. I didn't know you were a big pool guy. Yeah, I'm obsessed. Yeah. Yeah.
If I'm not, if I'm like for like my empty, my brain time, I watch professional pool matches. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, interesting. You like those tricks? A lot of them I watch them with, no, no, I hate. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Okay. That's what I was going to say. It's cool. It's cool that you can do it, but I don't care. Do you like The Hustler? Oh, it's a great movie.
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Chapter 3: How does Moshe Kasher relate his experiences to the concept of personal growth?
They would bet on fucking anything, man. They just wanted action. And you were teens walking in there? What's that?
Chapter 4: What reflections does Moshe have about his book and its themes?
You guys were teenagers going in there? No, no. John's a little older than me. I think I was 23 or 24, somewhere around then. It's like, well, yeah, like 90. So, yeah, I was probably like 23. And I just remember thinking, like, this is a whole world that I didn't know existed. This weird bachelor culture. And apparently it emerged really in America in the early 1900s.
In the early 1900s in New York City, there were hundreds and hundreds of pool halls, hundreds of them. And they were filled with these men swimming. that were disconnected from society. A lot of them had returned from wars. A lot of them had gotten out of prison and they were, it was during the Depression, there was a lot of illegal activity and people did whatever the fuck they could.
And these men would gather in these pool halls. And they were some of the wildest people I've ever encountered in my life. I watched a guy who had just gotten out of jail
play chess uh with his just with words just saying where the pieces moved with a 16 year old kid who was a chess genius he wasn't even moving the pieces he was no there's no pieces oh they were playing mind chess mind chess oh wow i was like so some commander data shit these are exceptional people that just happen to never plug into regular society
Well, it's like that dude in Malcolm X's autobiography, the guy that like he ran all the numbers in his mind and he never forgot a single one. And Malcolm X said like he could have been like a mathematical genius or a statistical professor or whatever. But instead he was like a hustler. He used that genius to be on the streets.
There's some people that have genius power that they apply to an art form, but they could have applied it to anything. Like Jay-Z. Jay-Z doesn't write any of his lyrics. Right, right. If you read Jay-Z's lyrics, they don't seem ad lib. They seem like really well structured and written and...
and like funny and like sharp and there's so many of them like how how are you remembering all this that's why people call me the jay-z of comedy you've heard that before you've never heard a person not say that about me yet yeah it's coming down the pike it hasn't gotten here yet do you know there's a pool hall in la by the way really uh there's almost none when i left
There's one in K-town that you go there. Okay, that makes sense. A lot of Koreans play pool. Yeah, you walk in, and you walk into one of them, if you're white, and they're like, uh-uh. And you're like, what? I want to play pool. They're like, uh-uh. Next two doors down. They're allowed to do that. No, I'll play here. They're like, uh-uh. Well, they do whatever they want.
They have their own rules. And then you walk down, and that's where the white people are playing pool. But it's the same owner. Oh, that's hilarious. But by the way, you cannot complain. No one will listen. No. Yeah, nobody gives a shit. If you're a fucking white guy and you can't get into a pool hall, and they have a pool hall for white guys, like, shut the fuck up, dude.
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Chapter 5: What is Plains Indian Sign Language and how did it contribute to American Sign Language?
You know that like gesture, you've seen it in like movies where the Native Americans will gesture to each other. And you think they present it as if it's like a war language so they don't have to make noise. But what it actually was was all the tribes in America spoke different languages. So they created this kind of Esperanto of the tribes.
Really?
So that they could trade. They could do trade. And that was called Plains Indian Sign Language. And they took all that into a kind of bouillabaisse of French Sign Language base, Martha's Vineyard Chaser, and Plains Indian sprinkled on top. And they created American Sign Language. And then...
100 years, 200 years later, my mother was born deaf in Oakland, California, and she went to the California School for the Deaf, and she absorbed this language. My mother was 13 when she went to the California School for the Deaf. She was in an oral school system. This is my long-winded way of telling you why deaf people have such a problem with hearing people.
That language that she learned, she was in an oral school system. So almost as soon as the sign language system came out, hearing people looked at it and go, we got to get rid of that. The one thing that unlocked their freedom, the one thing that unlocked their minds, hearing people saw it and said, we have to take that away from them. We have to make them more like us.
By doing the sign, they're creating more Wakanda. They're creating an insular sort of closed circuit system of culture, right? And they're... And weirdly, this was at a time in American history where those closed circuits of culture were really frowned upon. They were frowning upon deaf people signing to each other.
Deaf people signing to each other, Italians having their own newspapers, Chinese immigrants. At that time in American history, the idea of creating an immigrant subculture was really frowned upon. And Alexander Graham Bell, whose parents were deaf like me, had a deaf wife. He became the champion of what was called the oral system. And the oral system was, let's not allow them to sign.
Let's teach them to speak. Let's make them like us. Let's make them talk normally and function normally. Let's make them like us. But it was a crazy failure.
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Chapter 6: What challenges did deaf individuals face in the education system?
And it makes sense why, right? I can't hear the silence. They can't hear the sounds. Oliver Sacks said teaching a deaf person without sign is like teaching you Japanese from inside of a soundproof booth by holding up flashcards in Japanese and like putting a symbol next to it. It was like kind of doomed to failure. And then they went through this 200 year reimposed darkness.
There was there was a trial where all the hearing educators decided the deaf people wouldn't sign anymore They fired all the deaf educators and they pushed them out and they created this oral system Which really I mean it worked for some people some people but what it created Was you had to be exceptional in order to be average in the deaf world?
You know you had to be a genius in order to get that oral system to work for you because your natural mode of communication had been kind of stamped out and then In about the 70s, deaf people started to kind of rise up and say, fuck that. We're signing. This is who we are. This is our native language. And when I was born in 79, that was the world I was born into.
And so from that, two sisters on a... fucking corner in a slum in Paris, to that school, to Gallaudet, to a boat ride, to Martha's Vineyard, to the California School for the Deaf, to my mother's hands, to my hands. That was the way that I acquired language, was through this crazy historical journey. And that, to me,
is the reason that when I was born into the deaf community, there was so much distrust of the hearing world because they were like, they stole from us the one thing that gave us freedom. That makes sense. Wow, I did not know any of that stuff. That's incredible. How does someone get to be a fake sign language interpreter and be on stage with Obama? Was it Obama? Oh, it's been multiple people.
But there was one recently that happened. Yeah. But the Obama one was bananas because this guy was totally insane and he was standing in front of Obama just making things up. I'll tell you how good he is. Can I see it?
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Chapter 7: How does the deaf community view cochlear implants?
The Obama guy? How bad the Obama guy is. Well, I think it's just gibberish. I think it's just the sign language version of gibberish. My life was going to appointments with my mother and being tasked with the job of interpreting for my mom's medical appointments. It was like a non-consensual internship program. Like her medical appointments. And then I started to get in trouble.
And then the subject of the meeting would be me. It would be like a disciplinary meeting about me. So you would have to explain what your mom was having a problem with with you. Or what the school system or what the Oakland Police Department, what their problem with me was. Oh my God.
And then you have to do this kind of like, this kind of interpretive dance where you're not, you can't be like, oh, we think your son is awesome. He's a cool kid. We love him. Because then your mom, my mom's not stupid. She'd be like, all right, let's see how bad this guy is. Okay. Well, that's not Obama. No, that's not the one. This is the guy. I remember that. It's the same guy.
This was at the Nelson Mandela Memorial. Yeah, so check this dude out.
This video doesn't have him with Obama.
Okay, just show him by himself with that other gentleman. So what is he doing here, Moshe? I am at a disadvantage, Joe, because this is South Africa, and I do not speak South African sign language, but I remember this guy. Oh, so there is a South African sign language. I would assume. You want to hear something crazy.
It is so not a translation of English that my mother would have a much harder time understanding a British signer than a French signer. Whoa. So it has nothing. It's divorced from English. Wow. Ah, this lady. Okay. So I can tell you that this woman is actually using sign language. This is actual sign language.
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Chapter 8: What is the significance of language and communication in shaping human experience?
But she is very bad at sign language. Is that what it is? Yes. Those are real letters. And this is completely incomprehensible. Fifty five million is what she just said. I don't know what that is. Please. Announcement tonight, handcuffs. Look, she waved her arms around like she was singing Jingle Bells. But that's not true, right? She's doing some sign language.
Well, she's a hustler, whatever this is. But I did, dude, I've been to so many appointments with my mother where I walk in and it's an emergency room appointment. And I go, you can leave. Just leave.
Because you aren't qualified to do this and this is fucking life or death for my mother and you're here You shouldn't have taken this fucking job You should have known better than to take this job because this is an emergency room situation So that's when I was an interpreter the the responsibility of that was like massive to me I I felt that so acutely because I'd lived through it in such a direct way right and
I've been an interpreter when people were told they were dying. I've been an interpreter when people were graduated from graduate school, from getting their doctorate. I've been an interpreter where people were in court, and it was literally the degree to which I could sign accurately and faithfully was the difference between them going to prison and not going to prison.
I've done all of that, and that weight is super massive to me. I can only imagine. Yeah. And some funny shit has happened along the way, too. I'm sure like some very strange situations Well, how does the deaf community feel about people who get like implants and can hear again? So that's a another complicated question. I think have you ever seen the sound in the fury?
No, it's a fucking beautiful and fantastic documentary about cochlear implants and the deaf community I mean the thing is The deaf community had a—and I don't speak for the deaf community, obviously, but I can speak from my own experience. My mother has a cochlear implant.
She got one because my mom was like—my mom's like an iconoclast, and she's like, I'm not going to allow a taboo in deaf society to keep me from experiencing as much of life as I could possibly experience. Of course. But in general, especially at the beginning, deaf people hated the idea of a cochlear implant because they do not feel—
And I think to some degree I agree with them that deafness is a disability. They feel that what it is is it's a culture. I mean, obviously they can't hear. That's a disability. But the true disability comes from the fact that communication barrier. And so to them, they see the cochlear implant as just another imperialist, now a robotic mechanism to make them hearing again.
But wouldn't that be counterbalanced by the ability to absorb art? You mean like music? Yeah. But how do they hear it? Do they hear it the way a normal person hears it? Well, I can tell you in section two of the book, My Rave Years, what kind of music the deaf like more than any other in my experience is definitely slamming techno. Really?
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