Chapter 1: What bizarre dream did Bret Weinstein experience?
So I was telling you before we get started that I had the most bizarre dream I've ever had in my life last night, the most realistic and most bizarre dream. And It's so hard to try to explain how strange this was. But I was in some weird corridor that looked like a building but was odd, very strange. And I was encountering these beings that looked like people but very different.
They were very thin and they were slightly on the tall side.
And they had big heads like larger than normal with larger than normal eyes But they looked like people and they were playful and they were scaring me They're like they scared me and then they joked around like we're just joking around It was the most realistic dream I've ever had in my life And I woke up and I could not go back to I had to stay up I got up at 3 30 in the morning And I just went to the gym and I worked out for a couple hours and I was like what the fuck was that and
But it was very bizarre in that there was communication going on. It was like... God, I want to read into this because I know it's just a dream. But it was like... Get comfortable with this.
You should read into it because it's a dream. So it doesn't make it right. But your subconscious is trying to tell you about something. And the fact that it felt very, very important means your subconscious thinks it's very, very important.
I woke up. I mean, I was tired, man. When I went to bed, I was tired. I was falling asleep watching TV. I went to bed at like 10.30, 11 o'clock at night, like beat down. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to get some sleep. I was out a long week, a lot of activities, workouts, this, that, the other. Tired.
3.30 in the morning, whatever this was, woke me up so much that I just laid in bed for like another hour. And I was like, there is no way I'm going to sleep. I'm up forever. And then I just went and worked out. I worked out and I was hoping I would be exhausted after I worked out and I'd be able to relax.
But it was like a couple hours after that that I laid down and I took a nap for an hour before I came here.
question for you yeah did you see a video i think it was yesterday maybe it was the day before of some chinese robots that seem to be across on our side of the uncanny valley that they walk with a gate that feels very human did you know i haven't seen that is that the latest i I don't know. I've seen it a few times in the last couple days.
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Chapter 2: How does subconscious communication manifest in dreams?
They can be situations in which you might be morally compromised, where you need to go through the experience of being faced with a choice where you really should choose A, but B is very appealing or something. So I would say scenario building, that your mind is running you through little movies that it makes.
They're not completely rendered because it would be too expensive and pointless to do so. But the central elements, the important stuff is there for you to have the experience so that when you do run up against a situation that's analogous, you've practiced it a number of times and you're not starting from scratch. And I would just point out that the strongest indicator of this for me is...
When I experimented for a while with lucid dreaming, have you ever done that?
I've only had a couple of lucid dreams, but one where I think I specifically allowed it to happen because it was after I watched this documentary where this guy was talking about lucid dreams. And he said, in order to know if you're in a dream, every time you walk by a door, hit the side of the door and say, am I in a dream?
Which then very frequently wakes you up. So if you're going to practice lucid dreaming, you have to practice not to wake yourself up as you become cognizant that you're in a dream.
Yeah, I did wake up after I realized I was in a dream, like a few – not long after. Like there was a few moments where I was like, oh, my God, this is so crazy because this feels so real. But I just – my hand went through that door. So I know this is not real.
It's not real.
Because that – The tactile didn't exist.
The feedback isn't right.
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Chapter 3: What insights can we gain from dreams about our subconscious?
That's basically it. Everything else is the Wild West. Which is, by the way, one of the things that Jack Dorsey had discussed when he did my podcast way back in the day, when there was all these Twitter controversies about people like my friend Morgan Murphy, or excuse me, Megan Murphy. I have a friend, Morgan Murphy, too.
But Megan Murphy, the writer who was kicked off for saying, but a man is never a woman. That's all it took. She was banned for life. And Megan's a wonderful person. She's...
she's a she's just she's not mean she's not terrible she's kind and she's she's a sweetie i love her yeah and uh you know i didn't know anything about her i just knew that story and i'm like that story is fucking crazy and i was trying to bring it up to them and they said there was other things involved and she had done other things and turns out no that wasn't true at all that was basically it there was a hard-lined ideological wall that we ran up against and um
I think if he didn't buy it and expose the government's involvement in censoring people that were distributing true information during COVID, getting rid of people, you know, the Jay Bhattacharya stuff and what they've tried to do with so many of these doctors, Robert Malone, you know, these doctors that were attached to that whole thing.
There was a concerted effort and it was being done through social media. I don't think... We'd be in the same place right now if he hadn't bought in Twitter. If he hadn't purchased Twitter, I genuinely think people, they're blinded by this thing that he helped Trump get into office. Fuck that guy. And he's a billionaire. Fuck that guy.
But he literally might have changed the course of civilization or at least partially right of the ship for a bit.
Yeah. Look, I think we dodged a bullet. And the problem is that what has come about as a result of dodging that bullet is very mixed. And so it doesn't feel like a vindication. But as compared to what would have happened in the last election, I think there's no question Elon deserves a tremendous amount of credit for helping us avert a disaster. But let's go back to your point about...
His point about AI.
Yeah, he wants to make a better version of AI.
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Chapter 4: How does AI relate to human cognition and dreams?
But take a look at what he has introduced with the companions, the Grok companions. Have you? Companions? What do you mean? Oh, you don't know about this? Utterly terrifying.
Yeah.
He has introduced a set of kind of anime-like personas that basically can be your interface to the AI. And, of course, the primary one, the one that you default to, is a kind of sexy, young, underdressed creature.
By default?
Yeah.
Wait a minute. The first one you get optioned? Hey, there she is. I guess she's kind of sexy if you're autistic.
If you're into that sort of... Well, exactly. If... Ah, you laugh.
It's just part of the problem here.
It is part of the problem. But here's the problem, really. Okay? First of all, that is going to function like crack for a great many adults who don't know to be concerned about it. Right. But what it's really going to do... It is going to alter an entire generation, right? It may not be, you know, Musk's version of it.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of AI in humor and communication?
It's the final.
It's woke AI that tries you for past crimes of conversation. Where you described AI in a very negative and unreasonable light and actually inaccurate and that words are violence.
I'm going to ask you to edit this section out.
Imagine if that comes to me. That sounds like a crazy prediction. But crazier predictions have been made.
Chapter 6: How does the discussion shift to the role of AI in creativity?
But all right. Let's just say you and I both know that AI is going to be able to make jokes that are actually funny in some regard. But what if you remember the TV program Alphabet? Yes. OK.
I barely saw it, but I did once hear an interview with one of the writers who said that they in the writer room, they had a term that they called humor like substance, where for the half hour show, they needed just one more joke that they could use to justify the use of the laugh track. It didn't have to actually be a funny joke.
It just had to sound enough like a joke that when the laugh track was put on it, the people at home would feel that something funny had been said.
Chapter 7: What concerns are raised about the influence of pharmaceutical companies?
So the AI, if it produces jokes that actually cause you to think, which is what a good joke does, it causes you to realize something that you didn't know that you knew or something along those lines. That's productive. And in fact, it can be very productive to have a room full of people come to that awareness simultaneously. It's actually a galvanizing thing.
And it has interesting impacts when you're the person in the room who didn't get it. That's like a profound emotional experience. Or when you're the person who laughs at the wrong moment and you're out of it. Yeah, that's not good, right?
Unless you're really confident. You have to be really confident that you see some humor in that.
That nobody else saw. Well, yeah, I suppose that would work. But the point is this is deep stuff in the human psyche whose purpose we have not come to any agreement about. Right. At the point that the AI can make people laugh, but they don't necessarily know what they're laughing at.
Chapter 8: How do historical perspectives on evil relate to modern society?
then that's a step down. That's like, have you seen these, I don't know who's doing it, but there's somebody who has been experimenting with McDonald's hamburgers and seeing if they rot. And the answer is they don't, right? Guess what you just discovered? That that thing that's like pretty good food isn't food at all.
Oh, I know that. Listen, I'm aware. I feel about it that it is a real thing. You cannot deny it. And something is crafting this that is of a type of intelligence that we've never experienced before. And I'm looking at it as, look, it exists. That genie's not going back in the bottle. Quite. I...
I'm a glass-half-full guy, and I'm going to enjoy myself in this life, and I'm going to enjoy some good AI music. It doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to some Sturgill Simpson or some Gary Clark Jr. or some fortifying, soul-filled songs that are written and sung by real human beings. Yeah, I'm going to do that too. I'm going to do that too. I don't give a fuck. I'm here for fun.
And that music is fun. And you're not stopping it, Brett. You can't protest it and this is awful and I'm going to boycott it. You're going to miss out on some awesome jams. I'll tell you, man, when we're in the fucking green room at the Mothership and I put on Hello Gangsta before a show and we're all like, God damn, we heard that song 30 times.
It's so good that it gets you fired up and it achieves. It's not... dehumanizing your perspective on art and causing you to only appreciate things that are created by a different life form and not by human beings. No, it's just it's doing its own thing and it's a new thing. It doesn't mean I don't still love Bob Dylan.
Well, but, you know, you have lived enough of a life before the AI era began that you can experiment with this stuff.
I think we can learn. I think everybody worries about this upcoming generation and they all adapt and learn. And I think our kids are going to adapt and learn too. It's just like what are they adapting and learning too? You can learn how to handle what's AI and what's real and why it's cool to go see a live performance.
I don't know how you could say this, Joe, because we're not passing the test, right? COVID tells us that people are capable of being whipped up into a witch hunting frenzy.
Over cold.
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